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Well...this is Menino again....Bush pulled it off and I, and everyone I know (except my Christian mother) is really sad about about the elections. Today at work my coworker was so angry when I was talking about the elections so I said to him, "Well, what can you do?" He said, "We can move to Canada!" Nobody has any idea that I´m getting my application together for my partner and I for PR in Canada. Anyway, I also wanted to thank Sharon again, publicly, for all of her help. It´s comforting to know share experiences with people who are in the same situation. I am definitely not a Gay-activist, by any means, I´m really low-key, but I am outraged at the way things are going in the US. I know that this is not a forum to discuss US policies, but I guess many US citizens are voicing their concerns and desire to immigrate to Canada (so it kind of applies). I read what Ann wrote (I´m in Minnesota also Ann). I read what Becky wrote and I´d like to chat some more with her because we have the same-sex couple issue in common. I also read the posting from the young fellow in SLC (sorry, I forgot your name). Wow, it really makes me sad the we live in this "GREAT DEMOCRACY" and all of our civil rights are being taken away. Which one of those documents that our founding fathers wrote, the Declaration of Independence, I believe, that says that "All men are created equal" and that we all have "inalienable right to the persuit of happiness." Well, if I can´t marry (or even have a civil-union, I don´t care if you call it a marriage or not) with the person I love and if I can´t live in peace with him in my own country then I don´t see how I have this right to the persuit of happiness. I hope that Canada will accept us because my own country sure doesn´t want us!
[05-11-2004,00:38]
Menino |
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mourning (in reply to: A DAY OF MOURNING)
I read your posting and I cry. I think about my grandparents who left Europe because of religious persecution in the years leading up to the first world war. I find it very hard to reconcile things in my heart and in my mind. I have a personal Christian faith but I cannot find in me the right or the authority to deny anyone the opportunity to live life as they choose. After all...people are adults and the consequences are theirs alone. I love a Muslim man... and we have yet to have a debate about religion in 2 years. My choice has cost me some of my friends. Why we cannot live side by side is something that grieves me greatly.
I read the postings tonight and I cry.
[05-11-2004,01:53]
sharon |
(in reply to: A DAY OF MOURNING)
Dude, go back to govt. 101.
With rights come responsibilities. The fact is that no one in this country wants to take responsibities. Rather want to have a "give-me" attitude. The govt. should be ideally have a strearing or overlook role. However; with this attitued of blame and I did not get this - everything has come on the govt.
Have you never heard of prevention is better than cure term? It is because for gods grace we have been protected in this blessed land. See in countries where violence is part of life? In front of what people have to face every day in these countries; such a cry over loosing a bit of comfort feels very selfish. Do you rather want lawlessness, violence or fallout of very fabric of this country?
I agree each person has a right to live as they wish and religion and politics should never be combined. However; above all this is the parsimonous rule of : benifit of many are more than benifit of one.
This make such a sorry state of thinking from a few of you. What makes this country great or any democracy is not the fact that everyone should agrees on ´one thing´; rather ´difference of views´.
When you make new friends you don´t forget your family; or degrade it. Your choice to immigrate to should be your personal choice; however please don´t degarde any other country for that reason on public forum.
I will also request the moderator of this site to request everyone from doing such; please.
[05-11-2004,03:20]
Anonymous |
(in reply to: A DAY OF MOURNING)
i am very depressed like the others on the bush reelection ... however, the american people have spoken and i respect that. i think i´m the only democrat in my deeply conservative republican family.
what bothers me a little is that one political party now controls the u.s. presidency, the senate, the house of representatives and eventually the supreme court. as they say "power corrupts ... and absolute power corrupts absolutely." perhaps we should try parliamentary system, as our canadian neighbors have done.
[05-11-2004,04:08]
pierre_francois_berrou |
Everybody is concerned (in reply to: A DAY OF MOURNING)
Independently what country in the world you live in, Bush´s victory it is been basically welcomed in the world, by the 51 percent of the people who voted for him. The 48 percent of americans and a lot of people in the rest of the world are concerned because of the US policies , which involve the lack of respect of sovereignity of other nations.
Talking about domestic issues
The rights of a minority should not be dictated whatsoever by a majotiry..Governments with common-sense, like Canadian Governement, are able to think this way).
Why a Red-Neck Party should have the right to take away the rights of minorities in the name of "religion or moral"??
From my point of view, George Bush just have said what a lot of fanatics wanted to hear..he just have said things to get the majorities on his side, because of course this has led him to win the election again.
[05-11-2004,06:11]
Luis |
(in reply to: A DAY OF MOURNING)
I don´t think that I "degraded" the United States. I was just expressing my opinion and I respect yours and also do agree with some of the things you say. But in the issue of same-sex marriages (or civil unions, or what ever you want to call them...) how do they hurt heterosexual people? As a gay person, I am not asking for your rights to be taken away, I´m just asking to respect mine. In 11 states the issue of banning same-sex marriages was put on the ballot. It was "overwhelmingly" passed (banned) in all of the 11 states. The president wants to add it to the Constitution so no gay person will ever have rights. What ever happened to live and let live? I don´t see how my relationship with my partner is "demoralizing" to the United States. We live a quiet life and are just like any other heterosexual couple. Many of the countries of the world are going forward on this issue (i.e. Canada, UK, France, Germany, Australia, South Africa, Denmark, etc.) and the US is going two steps back. Remember, it wasn´t until Rosa Parks refused to "go to the back of the bus" in Alabama in the 1960s that the blacks had no rights in this country. And that was just 40 years ago. Women weren´t given the right to vote until 1920, some 80 years ago. And in 2004 someone who wants to have a same-sex union is still discriminated against and told it is illegal by his government. So much for land of the FREE.
[05-11-2004,12:22]
Menino |
(in reply to: A DAY OF MOURNING)
Majority of America has spoken and I don´t think these people are idiots. Face the truth and if you can´t beat ´em, join ´em so as not to make your life miserable.
[05-11-2004,22:43]
dokken |
Very simplistic ... (in reply to: A DAY OF MOURNING)
I don´t consider people feel miserable because they could not change the government.Mediocre people could feel miserable and join the majority wich is just 3 percent of US voters.... Smart people keep their points of view and has the wisdom to deal with things that could not be changed, but that doesn´t mean they won´t be changed.
When you loose respect for yourself and respect for the ideas you stand for...you can join the majotiry. And that´s exactly what evil leaders need, people with poor mentality.
[07-11-2004,04:32]
SAndra |
Re: A DATE OF MOURNING (in reply to: A DAY OF MOURNING)
For Menino:
Just a few words to basically say: HANG IN THERE! :)
My partner and I are on the same boat. We are a bi-national gay couple living in the US. We actually applied at the Canadian Embassy in Mexico City and we finally received our AOR letter a month ago --I guess we still have along road ahead of us.
We live in Massachusetts and even though we´re married under MA law, as you probably know know INS will not recognize our relationships for immigration purposes... it´s certainly sad that we have to abandon the country to enjoy our married life. Makes us mad, makes us cry...but above all I think it should make us ACT ;)
Contact your legislators, and urge them to sponsor the Permanent Partners Immigration Act at once! It only takes a second to send them a pre-formatted e-mail at www.immigrationequality.org or even at www.hrc.org
Anyhow, enough activism for today :)
Best of luck with your PR process!!
Ric
[22-11-2004,17:26]
Ric |
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