Continuation of "non-Canadian" = probably no job

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Subject: Continuation of "non-Canadian" = probably no job
  Hi Sharon:

Do you delete some of the postings that you find critical of immigration to Canada?

We were having a [somewhat] intelligent discussion about the difficulties my partner had, and I noticed half of what I wrote was deleted?! or missing/not posted.

Sharon, are you in the immigration business? Are you an immigration lawyer or working with one?

I came into this site from the web, and it appears you are biased -- in the sense that you really only want to hear good experiences -- and anyone else, you refer to as "whiners".

To answer your questions, which I couldn´t answer in the previous threads...

I never had a work permit. I haven´t worked in Canada. Had my partner found a position, we would have applied to immigrate and only then after immigrating would I have looked for work.

However, from my preliminary research, I´d say that in my previous field, I´d get no where... not even a part time job!

I can´t find my previous post on your site where I mentioned my partner has also met with people at several Chambers of Commerce and NONE had any good news or ideas for him....except to suggest that he volunteer at local organizations for a few years and then someone might like his work and hire him part time or on a temporary contract.

We aren´t so wealthy that we can live here another several years volunteering our time.

You keep mentioning English [or French] language skills...

Sharon, this is not the problem for everyone. Lack of jobs and discrimination against newcomers is an issue.

English is our first language. My partner has an MA in education and BA in history. He went to a very well known internationally recognized university in the USA. He´s even been told that this is not the problem.

He´s been told by people at centers that help those looking for work, that it´s extremely difficult in BC and probably elsewhere too, if you haven´t already been here a while and that it is "not him". They see highly qualified people all the time with the same difficulties...especially newcomers.

Our experience has simply been that anything he is qualified for ---- the employers simply ignore him. Period.

He even tried low paying part time jobs --- Staples Office Supply is one, where the application for employment asked for your current address and then your "previous CANADIAN address". This clearly shows they are trying to screen out those whom haven´t been here long.
Also, we´ve seen many employment ads, that say "Canadians preferred" or "Canadian citizens given preference". This shows that the employer is going beyond immigration law, and making extra barriers to those who are not yet citizens. In theory, as long as you have a work permit -- or if you are a permanent resident, you should be considered too. But if they are announcing in the papers that they give preference to what they consider Canadian....then here we go again.

In the USA, we´ve never seen job ads that say "Americans preferred" !
We´ve also never seen job applications that ask for "previous American address".
That would never be tolerated in the USA!

In the past three months that we´ve been preparing to go home to the USA, he´s heard from several American employers. He already has a long term project to work on back home for a TV station -- and he has two open offers to do freelance work from other organizations!
So, he´ll have some work, while he´s looking for his next full time position.

It seems that, at least in our experience, in the places he has applied, there aren´t enough jobs and they put national origin [ie. Canadian born] ahead of qualifications...and they ignore those whom don´t have previous "Canadian work experience".

In the USA, however, the general assumption, which is generally true, is that if you are allowed to work in the country and you are qualified, you have a chance at the position. Of course, both countries have their share of discrimination.....but I´ve come to believe that in the USA you get more of a fair chance than you would as a newcomer in Canada.

I don´t tell all these things to ridicule Canada....I´m telling our experience instead because I think it´s only fair people online see both sides of the story to get a more accurate picture!

Canada is a wonderful country to visit! They welcome most tourists with a friendly attitude. It is one of the two greatest nations on earth in my opinion. However, it just isn´t a good place to look for a job as a new immigrant, unless you expect to take a low paying, manual labor position.

In our situation, that just wouldn´t work out.

Here in Canada, he was totally shut out. No one would talk to him.

It seems that this experience indicates that in Canada, either there aren´t enough white collar jobs in his field [and related fields] -or-
they just don´t have any respect for Americans or other non-Canadians.

We even attended professional conferences.... and the attitude that prevailed was that people avoided talking to him for the most part.

Yet at similar conferences he´s attended in the USA, he always has people who engage him in intellectual discussions, and respect his career history.

I´m not doubting that some people make it work here --- but only a fraction of those whom uproot their lives and come here.

Call me a whiner if you´d like.... but if you had spent as much as we have for the past two years, and your spouse hadn´t been interviewed once... you´d want others to know your experience too.

Again, we can understand if Canadian employers don´t want "non-Canadians" or people whom haven´t been here their whole lives.....
but then they shouldn´t let people into the country without prearranged employment AND they shouldn´t let immigration law professionals collect hourly fees and give people false expectations.

D in BC, Canada

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D I think you do not have a comprehensive understanding of the US system, either. I urge you to look at tech jobs at big labs and national labs and so forth. They readily advertise their expectations: citizens and at least perm residents preferred. I have seen in the US something called citizenship advantage: more pay for having a US passport. I don´t blame it mind you, because I enjoyed the privilege. But US and Canada need to protect and help their own before they fall over their head to accommodate the low life from everywhere. You may have skills but the problem is you can´t prove them beyond any remote doubt with your words alone. Most third world people are charlatans and scumbags trying to get into corporate world just ravage the wealth of the corporations and leave them in dirt. I have seen so many quacks it ain´t funny. And everytime I realise I was dealing with a quack, I told them in no uncertain terms to be glad I have no firing power in the company or else they would walking thru the door like a lightening bolt. Canada is a small country with a much smaller economy than the US so give them a break. You and your gay buddy must have looked for jobs BEFORE disposing off the property in the US and such. Hind sight is always clear but you look at it this way: stop looking for the parabolic gay land where you can practice your perversions in the full sight of public. You can live nice in the US and build your OWN retirement and so forth. In decadent townships like French quater in New Orleans you can also publicly copulate with your gay partner without much public resentment. So go to those kind of towns within the US to satisfy your perverse drives. No need to uproot yourself and move to some other country.
righteous man
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Dear Whinner D:

This is not my website and I do not control it or its contents. I am the same as you - a participant. I am not a lawyer, or an immigration consultant.

Your partner has a masters of education and BA in history. What was he doing for work in the US? If he was an educator, and wished to continue a teaching career in the Canadian school system, he is required to obtain a licence from the College of teachers. That is true of interprovincial migration as well as international. A degree in history really escapes my job market radar.

When you decided to come to Canada - did you investigate the job market in your field of expertise? or was that not the prime motivation for your immigration and you would have come regardless?

I have seen your name appear on several forums with the same story. You left the US because you did not like how you were treated - but you had a good job. Now you want to leave Canada because you are treated OK but can´t find the work you want.

Hmmmmmmmmm. No comment.

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You always have a choice: To take it or leave it. Give it your best shot, and let go of it, that´s all you can ever do.
You can´t convince others by writing lengthy letters. Only you know your reality. What´s the point of convincing this forum or these invisible people?
You are on your own!
Good luck!!

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Dear D in BC, Canada

Being an Immigrant my self, I have never had any problem in Canada and the main key of success is ´Attitude".

I can´t understand that you can´t find a job in Western Canada. In almost every field there are always lack of workers.(In my own experience in Alberta where I live)

You won´t get any "special" treatment for being "an American"... who cares!
Canadian experience will help, but is not always mandatory.
Our company has several workers on a work visa, well paid and they came in to this country without any Canadian experience.

If you find that our system is not fair enough, go back to the US.


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sadly a country can have tolerant laws, but not always tolerant citizens. That is not a question on the immigration applications. Neither is ´how´s your attitude and willingness to be flexible until you are settled´.

I don´t believe for one second that Staples would have rejected his application because his last address was outside of Canada. Sorry, real life does not bear this out.

There were 215,000 more jobs out there in June than in January and our unemployment rate sits at 6.1% - the lowest in 30 years.

someone must be finding work and it is not just the white, native Canadians.

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Every person has HIS reasons for coming to CANADA.
MEDIA always has its versions.There always are the success stories and all. They inspire.
We are all grown ups. We should have our own ways of filtering and getting to the core of things.

Man, I want the Canadian dream! I am an african and a Muslim! So I know what dicrimination is.
WHo cares?!
Just STOP complaining and try to find OTHER ways best fit for you.
Your future is in your hands. So what do you want? sympathy? How much Dollars will that give you or your partner? Forget about self pity and carry on with the struggle.

Are you Healthy?
Are you loved?
Do you have a dream?
Are you trying to realise he dream?

If the answers are yes, then just continue. Life´s not easy,it´s a challenge. Try defeat it! Try winning.

I wish you ALL the BEST that LIFE can OFFER, Cheers.

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by the way I addressed that to D
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I find it hard to imagine that the expereinces of D´s partner were the result of some Canadian "attitude". Canada is too diverse to be like an Iceland or Japan, where that sort of common social prejudice might exist. You´ll find many people and employers in the U.S. with discriminatory attitudes if they percieve you´re from a particular ethnic, racial, social, or sexual-preference background.

So I would not blame Canadian society at this point, but cosnider that you might have run into an unlucky mix of people, who exist in every free society. Don´t give up and continue to try to make your way in the system. Canadians are actually more open to and in touch with the world and other cultures than Americans, in my opinion.

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If it´s all about us, then where do these major newspaper articles come from?

Why are we able to obtain employment back in the USA so easily, but here my partner couldn´t even get an interview?

I´m sorry, but I think this site presents a lot of hope and not much substance.

Okay, now you can bash me again. Don´t worry I won´t write back this time.


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