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thanks for the housecleaning.
[21-08-2006,00:37]
[***.121.220.199]
sharon
(in reply to: to admin)
Or are YOU admin?

Sharon, your obsession with "housecleaning" anything critical shows you and this web site for what it is....

Shame on you! Clearly, if you are Canadian Sharon, you aren´t one that values freedom of speech....and you are a bit touchy about the realities that many of us whom came to Canada faced.

How about the 900 chinese people who left Canada last year, as reported [in either Vancouver Sun or Globe and Mail] ... whom immigrated and couldn´t get employment.

Are they "whiners" too?

Shame on you.

This site, if it were fair, would do more to help those struggling with employment strategy --and-- brainstorming about how to get past employer anti-immigrant sentiment.

Also, it would try to stop the massive dishonesty of the immigration "consultants".

Oh, I´m sorry, some of our anti-freedom of speech people on here must be afraid I´m convincing a few people to reconsider coming to a place where lies are the status quo and newcomers are treated like dirt.




[21-08-2006,10:01]
[**.95.156.32]
Anonymous
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What is a Troll? Top
An Internet "troll" is a person who delights in sowing discord on the Internet. He (and it is usually he) tries to start arguments and upset people.

Trolls see Internet communications services as convenient venues for their bizarre game. For some reason, they don´t "get" that they are hurting real people. To them, other Internet users are not quite human but are a kind of digital abstraction. As a result, they feel no sorrow whatsoever for the pain they inflict. Indeed, the greater the suffering they cause, the greater their ´achievement´ (as they see it). At the moment, the relative anonymity of the net allows trolls to flourish.

Trolls are utterly impervious to criticism (constructive or otherwise). You cannot negotiate with them; you cannot cause them to feel shame or compassion; you cannot reason with them. They cannot be made to feel remorse. For some reason, trolls do not feel they are bound by the rules of courtesy or social responsibility.


[21-08-2006,11:34]
[***.121.220.199]
sharon
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When trolls find that their efforts are being successfully resisted, they often complain that their right to free speech is being infringed. Let us examine that claim.

While most people on the Internet are ardent defenders of free speech, it is not an absolute right; there are practical limitations. For example, you may not scream out "Fire!" in a crowded theatre, and you may not make jokes about bombs while waiting to board an airplane. We accept these limitations because we recognize that they serve a greater good.

Another useful example is the control of the radio frequency spectrum. You might wish to set up a powerful radio station to broadcast your ideas, but you cannot do so without applying for a license. Again, this is a practical limitation: if everybody broadcasted without restriction, the repercussions would be annoying at best and life-threatening at worst.

The radio example is helpful for another reason: with countless people having a legitimate need to use radio communications, it is important to ensure that nobody is ´monopolizing the channel´. There are only so many clear channels available in each frequency band and these must be shared.

When a troll attacks a message board, he generally posts a lot of messages. Even if his messages are not particularly inflammatory, they can be so numerous that they drown out the regular conversations (this is known as ´flooding´). Needless to say, no one person´s opinions can be allowed to monopolize a channel.

The ultimate response to the ´free speech´ argument is this: while we may have the right to say more or less whatever we want, we do not have the right to say it wherever we want. You may feel strongly about the fact that your neighbour has not mowed his lawn for two months, but you do not have the right to berate him in his own living room. Similarly, if a webmaster tells a troll that he is not welcome, the troll has no "right" to remain. This is particularly true on the numerous free communications services offered on the net. (On pay systems, the troll might be justified in asking for a refund.)

[21-08-2006,11:44]
[***.121.220.199]
sharon
(in reply to: to admin)
I requested the threads directed at me be deleted. This is an immigration site - not a Sharon discussion.

If one of your many repeated posts got lost in the process- I apologize.

I am not interested in arguing with you. I am only interested in a balanced perspective and when you lump all Canadians, all employers, all landlords, all houses together I get angry because it is simply not true.

you mention the other website. I have read it - but it is not a balanced picture of immigration.

I question your research skills if after 70 job applications you failed, and you went to an very small economic center to try and establish your life, and you did not carefully inspect the house and neighbourhood you elected to live in. I am confused about all those things.

I am done with this personal debate. Glad to know you are on to plan C.

[21-08-2006,14:51]
[***.121.220.199]
sharon
(in reply to: to admin)
900 out of 22,400 Chinese economic PR´s is not bad! works out to about 4%. Wonder what the other 96% did? According to you, they are sleeping in the streets.

You have still not explained your open work permit. My research tells me it is associated with a student visa? Off campus must be HRDC approved??? am I understanding that part correctly? - which means Canada must give preference BY LAW to Canadians.

am I confused.


[21-08-2006,18:35]
[***.121.220.199]
sharon
(in reply to: to admin)
Sharon, you are confusing two different people here. My partner had an open work permit. He was not a student.

He was able to take any employment as offered, for the duration of the permit.

But again, Canadian employers don´t want to talk to non-Canadians, so who cares?

It´s over now.

[22-08-2006,20:34]
[**.138.151.242]
Anonymous
(in reply to: to admin)
I´m more worried about all the newcomers who haven´t been screwed over yet. Will they learn before it is too late?
[22-08-2006,20:34]
[**.138.151.242]
Anonymous
(in reply to: to admin)
Please explain an open work permit. Usually they are tied to an employer and involve HRDC. how is your situation different?
[22-08-2006,20:43]
[***.121.220.199]
sharon
Thanks, Sharon... (in reply to: to admin)
I have been lurking here for the past couple years, as I prepared my family´s immigration app, and now as we wait for it´s processing. Sharon has kindly and patiently answered hundreds of questions (one or two of them mine). The forum owes Sharon a big "thank you".


[25-08-2006,02:01]
[**.21.242.109]
bill

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