the job market and unhappy campers

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Subject: the job market and unhappy campers
  this is a full cut and paste from the CIC website and guidebook.

I don´t know how much more Canada can, and should say on the subject.
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Working in Canada
Finding employment in Canada requires planning. You should obtain as much information as possible before you apply to immigrate. There is no guarantee that you will be able to work in your preferred occupation.

Although credential assessment and licensing are not requirements of the skilled worker application, you need to be aware of these issues when considering immigrating to Canada.

Follow the Working in Canada link on our Web site for some helpful sites on regulated and non-regulated occupations.

Regulated occupations
Twenty percent of people working in Canada work in occupations that are regulated to protect the health and safety of Canadians. Examples include nurses, engineers, electricians and teachers.

Provincial and territorial regulatory bodies are responsible for establishing entry requirements for individual occupations; for recognizing prior credentials, training and experience; and for issuing licences required to practice. The recognition process varies between provinces and territories and between occupations. Recognition of qualifications and issuance of licenses can generally only be completed once in Canada. The process can take time. You may be asked to:

provide documentation of qualifications
undergo a language examination (which may differ from those required for immigration)
complete a technical exam (with accompanying fee)
do supervised work
Non-regulated occupations
For non-regulated occupations, there are no set requirements and there is no legal requirement to obtain a licence. The employer will set the standards and may very well request registration with a professional association.

Credential assessment
A credential assessment is advice on how qualifications from another country compare to Canadian qualifications. An assessment does not guarantee that:

a regulatory body will issue you a licence to practice
your credentials will be accepted by a Canadian employer
However, a credential assessment will help you understand the Canadian educational system and assist you with your job search.

You can have your credentials assessed by one of the provincial evaluation services. Follow the link to Credential assessment on our Web site for more information.

Labour market information
Job opportunities and labour market conditions are different in each region of Canada. It is important to research conditions in the area in which you want to live. Follow the Working in Canada link on our Web site for helpful sites on the Canadian labour market, job banks, and provincial and territorial labour market information.

[18-10-2006,22:22]
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Sharon
(in reply to: the job market and unhappy campers)
What? Are you saying we have to take responsibility for our own lives!? I thought if a government lets you come to their country they would set you up with a place to live and hire someone to go to work for you. Jeez. What is socialism coming to!
[19-10-2006,06:34]
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Anonymous
(in reply to: the job market and unhappy campers)
Its a good article and must read for Shah and Raj.:-)

[19-10-2006,10:17]
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Jeet
(in reply to: the job market and unhappy campers)
"forum is about Canadian immigration. People come here with their minds already made up for the most part about what they intend to do."

- I never try to warn anybody who made up mind already, don´t post anything by myself. Just share my experience if someone specifically asks. That´s how I got involved in this post started by Mr. Ram. If the site doesn´t want to post any negative comments, then must be clearly written in the rules, I wouldn´t waste my time then. Till then, if anybody asks, I´ll share my expericne & findings with well documented backups. I see many of your postings helping people´s question, greatly appreciable. I don´t have any problem with that, but if you try to give misconception about the job market, I would always object. Must be honest to say, hey, we may need the carpenters, machinists or so and so (that is highly questionalble though, but may be OK)..not the university graduates.

"Why are you here? Shah - you have moved on to better opportunities. You are as bad as a divorced man who continues to talk about his ex wife"

"Shah - why did you leave your country in the first place? no work after you got your education? did not like the lifestyle?"
- That was the last thing I was expecting, bringning into personal point. Though becomes obvious when someone can´t face the reality or discredit the documentations but still wants to stick his/her theory childishly. Immigration is a natural process from the birth of this world. Why I left my country of birth is absolutely mine. Yes, I was never happy being in a 3rd world country as usual. What´s wrong? I never repent for immigrating (being grateful to God the Almighty to place me in a country like US), just in 1 stage did a mistake by chosing a wrong place. My mistake was to rely entirely on the rosy picture painted by the CIC and many of the Immigration consultants. I even didn´t do the research at that time which now I do.
If my exwife has money sucking or criminal tendency, It would be my responsibility to warn her future husband if he asks me for sure. Doesn´t it make sense?
Did I ever nag that I wanted free money in Canada? Just logically fedup with the bleak job market with the best University Degree along with US MS degree in the pocket. even there after claiming this as a Land of Oppurtunity. If at that point I wouldn´t frustrate, that means I´m insane. No point of bringing my personal experience anymore, I may be exceptional. BUT, I presented you very very credible data already showing the Statistics of my situations.

- There was no need to cut+paste CIC warnings. If you are aware or not, this was done recently. This is not enough anyway other than protecting CIC from lawsuits. At least few years back there was only a general warning something There is no warranty that you´ll get job in your field or something. When someone thinks about Canada, they always see the rosy picture, don´t even feel need to research. Again the same question. Why it is so necessary to bringing the proffessionals? You even indirectly acknowledged you need carpenters, machinists or so, not the proffessionals. When somebody is invited for immigration based on his occupation, it is reasonably asumed that the country is in dire need of his proffesion. If the country needs any specific proffessions (Like you say too many in 1 proffession, so have to switch)then why not directly inviting that perticular proffessions? By the present system CIC is decieving both the CDN citizens and the immigrants. They are creating unnecessary competition and at the same time messing immigrants life. Why do I invite unnecessary competion in my country? How many countries in the world do that? Even in this system I wouldn´t mind if CIC would have posted the rosy picture+ their own research on the immigrant´s hardship, the story of million people who relys on food bank charity (see www.hungrybread.ca, and find even working people have to depend on food bank! Not only the unemployeds). This system is nothing different than a company selling stimulating drugs with just a general warning that "it may have some side effects" while it actually has several serious long term effects which are not labelled honstly. The company can´t simply tells, do the research by yourself before consuming hiding their own well established negative facts.

[19-10-2006,11:03]
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Shah
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Shah,
I tell you once again, try to focus your energy somewhere else, you have already done what you had to do. If you hear someone talking bad abt the place where you have spent the best years of your lives, even you will want to defend it to your death, just let it go.

[19-10-2006,11:09]
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Raj
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Raj, it is just hard to believe how people can deny such a well established fact, it is just insane or childish. You were right, no doubt. Just wasting time in deaf ears. I don´t understand how citizens of a country remain so indifferent in a most serious issue like lack of jobs and still feel comfort by "Land of Oppurtunity". Where their own graduates run out of the country they invite more, how ridiculous!
[19-10-2006,11:52]
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Shah
(in reply to: the job market and unhappy campers)
Sharon is a jihadist for Canada. If you look harder, you will find such in the US too. I know I used to be one of them. The US historians would have called us the jingoists. Sharon´s logic morphed and ill-developed. She naively stated sometime ago how Arabs think of their entire community as an extended family. I bet she will change her mind if her Arab men begin to apply the sharia laws to her. I would never argue with her. It is best to deal with her types the way the Sharia laws deal: just take them to the whupping post and decide how many lashes might help ´em straighten up their crooked thinking. The end of story!
[19-10-2006,13:33]
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Right Man
(in reply to: the job market and unhappy campers)
Right Man, I´m not an Arab anyway never ever support anything to establish by body weight. I consider myself as a gentle man and try to establish something by logic and relavent established data. I really feel sorry for somebody if he/she starts personal attack failing in logic. They shouldn´t take part in discussion forum, rather shoould say "I´m the winner, no matter what you present or establish".
[19-10-2006,13:58]
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Shah
(in reply to: the job market and unhappy campers)
childish, indifferent, deaf,´her types´ and you are saying "I" am getting personal. I would suggest you have an interesting perspectice.

Right man is nothing but rude and a shame to his culture.

If I read any immigration documents correctly, Canada does not ´invite´ people unless it is a provincial nominee program. You ask if you can come and Canada listens to your case and says yes or no. Who is responsibile at that point?

You bet I will defend my country.

[19-10-2006,14:23]
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Sharon
(in reply to: the job market and unhappy campers)
Shah and Raj, incase you have not got jobs in Canada because of your qualification and background, its ur hard luck..you cant blame Canadian immigration for that.

You should have done your due deligence before applying for immigration and find basic things like job market in your area, salaries, oppurtunities etc, crime rate, housing etc....(common sense to me)

It´s noble of you to share your experience with us, but not sure about your intentions. Soryy if i sound rude.

Couple of my coworkers have allready migrated from USA to Canada and they have got good jobs within days.

As far as ur USA GC goes, i will not want to settle in a country where we are paying full taxes(H1b) and have to wait for immigration for 5-8 years. (retrogression). At the same time there are so many illegal immigrants who are getting GC in few years, reason USA goverment wants to get taxes from those guys too. And even you wait for 5-8 years for your GC, USA goverment will make you wait for atleast 4-5 years before you can get citizenship and then sponsor your parents. In canada you can sponsor as soon as you get immigration.
Needless to comment about USA healthcare system and crime rate, i think we all know about that.
Also everybody in USA is concerned about Terrorist and because of its foriegn policy things are becoming worst day by day.

I am not trying to compare these two great nations, both are excellent for raising your family and having a nice life.

Best of luck with ur USA immigration and i will gladly wait for my Canadian immigration, its the country where i want to raise my family.


[19-10-2006,14:52]
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Jeet
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Jeet, Nice sensible comments. Thanks. Nothing very different though. I already acknowledged that I did the mistake immigrating into Canada, my fault. That time I was naive enough to believe the CIC website alone, thinking that USA and Canada are of the same type, nothing would be much different than the salary. For the same reason, relative easy Immigration diverted me from USA to Canada. even 10 years ago, prpbably I was willing to sacrifice a hand for Canadian Immigration. I was more than willing to have a lower salary job in canada. It is now my responsibility to warn others about the mistake that I have made. And again, I only warn those who specifically wants to know is it worthy to immigrate. Not that I preach everybody, I don;t have any consultancy firm to divert prospective immigrants from Canada to somewhere else. Infact, if you don´t browse a lot, just look at some website roughly you won´t get the true picture. Example, Canadian unemployment rate is 6.5% now, US is nothing much lower (probably 5%). In that sense, job finind shouldn´t be that difficult in Canada. But does it give you full picture? Canada has lot more seasonal/temporary workers and morever, it is mostly a service oriented country, not much oppurtunities for the educated people. if I were a high school dropouts, I would have very glad to spend my life in Canada. That makes the whole difference, and keep saying to look at the statistics of how Canadian born & educated citizens have to good bye their mother land every land. Study or research prior coming? What research would have showed me that in canada with US masters+ Experience + Best Canadian School Masters wouldn´t allow me to enter into professional jobs? Would you believe that staying in India or China? Now a days, people are more cautious, in China (major clients) the no. of applicants dropped down to more than 50% in just 1 year. Just look who are the top employers in Canada, the top 2 are US outfits. Look around there how many chains are there Canadians and how many are Americans.

GC retrogession period is not that much in this days. if you apply in current PERM (electronic) system, in EB-2 you´ll get it in 2-3 years, EB-3 3-4 years at best. Lets say even it is 10 years, what´s wrong? What the problem do I have? I have full right except voting (does it matter to me)? Paying tax in H-1? Offcourse I´m wiiling to pay as I earn there and obliged to follow their rules. If I get lay off, I have plenty others offers waiting for me. The alternative was to mop floors or cleaning toilets in Canada with full proud Citizen status. What sounds better, upto your judgement. In 1996, US INS reported that at least 120,000 Canadians were staying there illegally. After 10 years all evidence shows it must be even larger. Isn´t it funny that a 1st world country´s citizen are prefering to stay illegally in another country? Doesn´t it ring you something? Ealier I only knew that ill fated people of 3rd world countries do that. Yes, US spouse sponsorship is very slow. but, in Canada, parents speonsorship time is now closer, at least 5 years. Not right after you can apply, you have to have a certain income to do that which is not very easy there.

Needless to comment about US healthcare. Again, looks like you are still in the apparent level. There is a popular theory among the Canadians that Americans can´t afford to go for health care. US, health is not free, you have to have insurance, most of the premium is paid by my employer. To provide free healtcare, In Canada you have to 1st consider higher tax from salary, then pay higher taxes even in the daily shopping. How much that add? Even forget about that, In Canada and US, just the Car insurance difference would have enabled me to pay almost the full health premium (in Canada I use to pay 6 imes Auto Insurance). Now, have a closer comparison (strongly recommended for all)from:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_and_American_health_care_systems_compared; Some key features:
US doctors & nurses earn twice,more doctors/captia, more high tech tech. without long waiting like Canada and suffering pain. Americans can´t afford to buy health insurance; 15.7% Americans are without insurance, BUT,here, many are in transition of jobs,children who are insured by MediCaid, and lots of illegals. So, only a few percantage (not more than 6/7%) can´t afford really, and the rest have quality health care for a reasonable price. In US emergency service is free (unlike Canada) where most of the poors usually go, even many states have coverage for the low income brackets. Ameicans can sue the doctors very easily (made the physicians there lot more careful), Canadians system don´t allow to do that as usual. Read the study by a Canadian Research team;
http://www.ccis-ucsd.org/PUBLICATIONS/wrkg20.PDF, clealrly written "For many professionals working in the
United States, the cost of health care is covered by their employer and the quality of the service is superior to Canada."

I agree fully with you about the crime rates. But, in the US crime rates are mostly concentrated in some of the big cities which you can easily avoid. So far I lived in 3 differnt states and citiies and can tell you for sure that those cities are safer than at least Toronto (where I stayed in Canada, and a significant % of entire country lives). US foreign policy, what else can I say. I can´t support it by anyway, only can hope God will enlight them.

I´m not ingrate, I´m grateful to Canada for giving a passport and I would help her best till I hold that. That doesn´t mean that I will have to support all of it´s decision which are clearly wrong and bringing peril. That is not patriotism, that is fanaticism. Many Americans openly criticize Bush admin. for Iraq attack but Bush or no one questioned their allegience or patrioticism. I also believe Canada has lot more potentials to offer for all. it is just the Govt. for many years keeps this country passive. And some certain quarters helping them for their own interests.

I hope that you would be one of the lucky Immigratns in Canada and will not have to waste time warning others like me. Good Luck.




[19-10-2006,16:15]
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Shah