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Subject: Candaian relative left Canada
Hi,

I´m going to apply for Skilled worker immigration from Buffalo. My brother is a Candaian citizen, but he left Canada for a job in another country. My question is : will I be awarded the relative points even though he is not living in Candad right now?

Thanks,
--Jo

[18-04-2007,19:18]
[***.218.15.37]
Jo
(in reply to: Candaian relative left Canada)
Yes if he is maintaining PR or Citizenship status
[18-04-2007,19:36]
[**.150.169.84]
Almost Perfect!!
(in reply to: Candaian relative left Canada)
No points.

For you to receive 5 adaptability points, your brother has to be either Canadian citizen or PR, AND MUST RESIDE IN CANADA.

[18-04-2007,19:38]
[**.101.145.160]
Uniden
(in reply to: Candaian relative left Canada)
Almost Perfect, nope, you´re wrong. Your own rules do not apply.

Read OP6 (http://www.cic.gc.ca/manuals-guides/english/op/op06e.pdf), Section 10.15.

"d) Relatives in Canada:
? Award five points if the applicant or accompanying spouse or common-law partner has a relative (parent, grandparent, child, grandchild, child of a parent, child of a grandparent, or grandchild of a parent) who is residing in Canada and is a Canadian citizen or permanent resident."

[18-04-2007,19:40]
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Uniden
(in reply to: Candaian relative left Canada)
My brother lived in and out of Canada and I received points. When they asked me to submit proof, I submitted copies of his SIN card, and some other papers, most of which I did not understand a word.
However, I gave his physical address in Canada at the time of proving the relationship.

[18-04-2007,19:44]
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Almost Perfect!!
(in reply to: Candaian relative left Canada)
Uniden you must think before you speak. I took into consideration my own example and thats what I wrote. I did not make my own rules
[18-04-2007,19:46]
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Almost Perfect!!
(in reply to: Candaian relative left Canada)
Thanks guys for the quick response. I geuss it´s a good idea to let my brother keep a physical address for him there. He just left 2 weeks ago and I´m going to apply next week.

[18-04-2007,20:22]
[***.218.148.179]
Jo
(in reply to: Candaian relative left Canada)
A COW IS A COW NO MATTER WHICH SIDE OF THE FENCE IT IS ON.

A CANADIAN IS A CANADIAN NO MATTER WHERE THEY LIVE AND AN ADDRESS MEANS NOTHING!

PROVE HE IS A CANADIAN AND THAT HE IS YOUR BROTHER.

COME GUYS I GET BUSY FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS AND A CANADIAN NEEDS A CANADIAN ADDRESS?

Roy
www.cvimmigration.com


[18-04-2007,20:34]
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Roy
(in reply to: Candaian relative left Canada)
How about that manual, Roy? (OP6, Section 10.15.)

Which part of "who is residing in Canada" did I get wrong? Is it a typo, or what?!?

[18-04-2007,20:49]
[**.101.145.160]
Uniden
(in reply to: Candaian relative left Canada)
Roy:
I believe you are wrong again. It is the second time that I am posting factual information from the very same CIC manuals you taught me how to use and to refer to, and I am getting slapped in the face with something like "You´re wrong, I´m right!", without showing a base for your wrong statements. The first time you did something like this was here: http://www.canada-city.ca/canada-immigration/posting.php?messageid=19000

Read the "Adaptability" sections of all these pages that are part of the CIC website:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/applications/guides/EG74.html
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/skilled/qual-5-5.html
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/faq/family-9.html

Besides the OP6 manual, Section 10.15. that I have mentioned in my previous reply, all these texts mention directly, not in any hidden way, that the close relative has to reside, or be, in Canada.


Almost Perfect:
You are almost right: when it comes to Canadian immigration rules and regulations, I quit thinking.. and just COPY and PASTE from the CIC website. If anyone tries to tell me that all these manuals on CIC´s website are only a bunch of crap, full of fake statements, typos, and nonsensical stuff, AND shows me proof of that, then.. I will give up, and will never ever quote any of them again. It is not the case yet!

As for your own case, I must give you credit for being lucky. You got the adaptability points only because your brother was "officially" residing in Canada. If CIC would smell anything about anyone trying to claim adaptability points for having a close relative NOT residing in Canada, I doubt that person would succeed in doing that.

Think about what "ADAPTABILITY" is all about: It is about your relative helping you ADAPT when you settle in Canada. If that relative is not in Canada, then where is your adaptability support?!?

A few months back, in this very forum, there was someone who claimed that (s)he had received the 5 points by claiming that another person in Canada, having the same last name, was a close relative, when in fact they were not related at all. It worked, and surprisingly, that person has received the 5 points and was happy ever after. But.. was it an exception? Certainly! A simple check by CIC into that matter and the applicant would have been slapped with a 2-year ban from re-applying for PR due to misrepresentation. But it didn´t happen. I call it luck.

There are also people with fraudulently obtained college diplomas and transcripts, who succeed in receiving a few extra education points. Would you like to recommend others to do the same, and fraudulently "enhance" their score just because others have succeeded in doing so? I can only guess..

Even if I were the moron you may think I am, CIC´s rules and regulations do not lie. I gave you the black on white text of what CIC says on this, therefore I can´t give Jo any false hope for being able to receive points for a relative not residing in Canada.

Should CIC add a paragraph stating that adaptability points will indeed be awarded for being closely related to a person who is "in and out" of Canada, or "as long as that person maintains PR or citizenship status", or that "cows are cows no matter on which side of the fence they´re on", in addition to, or instead of, "residing" in Canada, I may change my mind and advise otherwise. Until then, if anyone ever gives advice to people on this forum thinking that these people will heed it, then they better do their darndest to make sure that the advice they are giving others is based on something real and provable. If you don´t find it written somewhere where it is official, then it is better to keep quiet than make a wrong statement!

I simply don´t care if anyone says anything about this anymore, or is trying to discredit me. I will not be coming back to read it, as this is my final post in this forum. I just removed my bookmark, and I will quickly forget about this forum´s existence. I wish all PR applicants the very best of luck, and all I can recommend to anyone with all my heart, is this: If ANYONE says anything that you don´t quite believe to be true, then say "Show me proof! Which document are you referring to?"

..and last but not least:
DON´T BELIEVE STORIES! READ CIC´s MANUALS!

CIC Manuals are available on the CIC website:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/manuals-guides/english/

Kind regards,

Uniden

[18-04-2007,22:01]
[**.101.145.160]
Uniden
(in reply to: Candaian relative left Canada)
Uniden Pal I missed you!!!! WELCOME BACK

OP6 10.15 you partly got me.

QUICK QUESTION UNIDEN?

On the required documents for a PNP or Buffalo SW application for this persons brother;

DOES CIC require proof of relationship and status, correct? Does CIC require proof of a Canadian address in the required documents list? NO!!!!!

LOOK HARD!

They do not require proof of address. Until a Canadian has his status for what ever reason removed, he/she is a Canadian. No Canadian is required to give an address it is an issue of you´re suppose to be residing in Canada but don´t ask don´t tell.

Only you would have the stuff to say Roy made a mistake. I didn´t, really. What CIC says is suppose to happen and what is a requirement to prove is two different things. On the additional family information form IMM 5406 (I think)if a person puts an address which the person normally resides CIC will not ask the person (brother) to prove the brother resides there.

MUCH RESPECT UNIDEN

A person in my position would never tell or recommend anyone to violate the manuals. The issue is to provide proof is not a requirement.


Roy
www.cvimmigration.com

[19-04-2007,00:15]
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Roy