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Hi, I´m a recent university graduate with BS and MS degree from the US. However I´m a citizen of a third country. I cheched the point system and realized I have a fairly good chance of getting permanent residence under the "Skilled Labor" category. My question is, how long does the process of obtaining a permanent residency take? A year? I´d appreciate any information on this matter. Thanks all in advance.
[29-06-2007,22:12]
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Elmurad |
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(in reply to: US graduate, thinking of migrating to Canada?)
About 2 years...you will also need to show years of relevant work-experience.
Godd Luck
[29-06-2007,23:19]
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PearlJam |
Come for a visit, first. (in reply to: US graduate, thinking of migrating to Canada?)
I´d suggest a recce trip to Canada, for at least a week or two, to see how we live here. While in Canada, speak to people and listen to what they have to say about my country. Try to find people from your home country, who now live in Canada, for their opinions.
With your degrees, I´d suggest looking at Toronto, and Alberta, for employment. Alberta is booming, in all aspects of employment, especially in the oil and gas sectors. Calgary and Edmonton are the two biggest cities in Alberta, while Toronto is the largest city in Canada, with a number of surrounding cities, all of which have possible employment for you.
Jim B Toronto.
[30-06-2007,08:41]
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Canadian Citizen |
Thanks for the tips (in reply to: US graduate, thinking of migrating to Canada?)
Thanks for all your tips. I might make a trip to Calgary this summer. In fact, Calgary has been on my list primarily because of booming economy and weather. I currently live in Chicago, so I imagine it´s a big colder in Calgary than in Chicago. Toronto is #1 on my list, however i´m hearing it´s expensive and crowded. I was told there are quite a few cities in GTA, maybe i´ll consider them too. I have 2 years of professional experience thank goodness.
[30-06-2007,19:28]
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Elmurad |
(in reply to: US graduate, thinking of migrating to Canada?)
Toronto is the largest city in Canada, BUT the population density is much lower than Chicago, and of course the population of Canada is 90 percent SMALLER than that of the USA, so how crowded can it be ?
A recent wotld wide survey of the cost of living in cities ranked Toronto as the 187th most expensive city to live, so there are 186 more expensive cities in the world.
Jim B. Toronto.
[01-07-2007,09:55]
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Canadian Citizen |
(in reply to: US graduate, thinking of migrating to Canada?)
GTA area is the one of the most and fastest growing area in the North America. It had population density of 31/Hectare versus 18/Hectare in Chicago. (http://www.geog.utoronto.ca/programs/geog/under/uoutlines/outlines2006-2007/GGR%20124%20Lec4.pdf)
Each year an 1000,000 new residents come in GTA area to settle. It should tell some real picture.
Overall Canada had less population than the US, even area wise less density. However, none should forget that unfortunately Canada has most of it´s land permanantly inhabitable. Little example, entire Canada has food growing capacity less than France, a much smaller country. This causes very high population densities concentrated in only some areas, not uniformly distributed as US.
Living expense? High or Low is relative. If you come here from San Fransico bay area or NY, it is cheaper. If you come from TX/FL/GA it is way expensive. Little hints, min´m 750-800 $ rent for 1 bedroom apt.
As far as I know Alberta is more expensive than ON.
[02-07-2007,11:03]
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Shah |
31 million in Canada, 300 million in the USA. (in reply to: US graduate, thinking of migrating to Canada?)
Shah:
The last census of Canada showed our population at 31 million, and the population of the USA is just under 300 million, so your statement that Canada "has less population " is correct but really not very accurate.
As to the agricultural capacity of Canada, take the time to find out about what we EXPORT to the rest of the world, in food products. In order to EXPORT food we would have to be self sufficient domestically, right ?
Have you ever SEEN the Canadian praries? I don´t think so, or you wouldn´t be writing/saying such nonsense. Grain farms that are more than 5,000 acres in size, are common in Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta, along with cattle ranches that produce millions of cattle per year, for meat consumption.
Canadian farms are more effcient and more modern than in other countries, resulting in beter crops and more production per acre of land.
On the matter of "where we live " in Canada, I have previously pointed out to you that it isn´t the weather that makes the decision, it is the transportation services and the highways that effect the decisions about where to live in Canada. Native Innuit people live in the high arctic, as that is where they have lived for thousands of years, and they do well there. I have lived above the 60th parallel, and liked it, while serving my country in the Canadian Forces. Your argument is hollow, and un-informed.
Jim B. Toronto.
[02-07-2007,12:30]
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Canadian Citizen |
(in reply to: US graduate, thinking of migrating to Canada?)
Dear Jim,
Canadian ppopulation is about 1/10th of US is a established fact. I don´t know what would be wrong if I use the term "Less". Anyway, That´s not a very big deal.
Chicago population density you earlier claimed much higher than Toronto. That atracted my attention for this post as I knew it is not true.
Dear, I haven´t seen Canadian prairies. Neither I have any mentality to estimate Canadian food production capacity by by just having a look. I rely data on established facts. Canada is self sufficient in food, it exports a lot also. Though the fact what I stated earlier is 100% valid. Before saying someone nonsense you rather study a little bit, don´t rely on your eyes only. Kindly read here:
http://www.immigrationwatchcanada.org/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=1717
"As a result, only about 7% of Canada´s entire land mass is suitable for agriculture. Countries such as France, the U.K., and India appear larger than they really are because a much higher percentage of their land base is suitable for agriculture.".
I didn´t ever meant to comment anything on Canada´s better yielding capacity over all countires. I just tried to point that just based on huge land mass, gross average of population/land data can be decieving. I didn´t have any intention of comparing food production capacity of Canada with others.
Canada has most of it´s population concentrated in a particular zone, specially near the south. It is also an established fact though you may find it hollow or uninformed. Out of 31 million total population 19.3 million live in Onatrio (11.9) & Quebec (7.4). Prairy provinces have only 5.2 million, and BC has 4.1. Nunavut, NWT, and Yukon together have only 99,000. Aganin, even within ON, majority are concentrated down the south. I didn´t visit all provinces of Canada or didn´t make any attempt to count population by myself, CIC canada posted this in their site. Which clearly tells the highly non uniform population distribution of Canada. I know some people like to live in extreme cold, wvery good. I don´t have any problem with that and that was not my point either. I earlier just said what I now explained. The reason for this non uniformity can be explained from deferent points, however, that wouldn´t make any difference in the main point.
[02-07-2007,13:55]
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Shah |
Do the math. (in reply to: US graduate, thinking of migrating to Canada?)
According to Wikipedia, the online encyclopedia, Chicago has a city area of 234 square miles, and a population of 5 point 3 million people, while Toronto has a city area of 243 square miles and a population of 2 point 5 million people, or roughy HALF as many people as Chicago has, with just 9 square miles more land area. How did you get your figures?
Secondly, if you add up the figures that YOU quoted in your post, for the TOTAL population of Canada the numbers doen´t add up. Add 19.3 , 7.4, 5.2, and 4.1 and I get Thirty Six Million, not 31 million. Either you can;t add things up properly, ot the CIC has incorrect information on their website. Which is it ?
And finally, quoting INDIA as a food exporter is a joke, right ? That country cannot feed it´s own people never mine being able to export food anywhere else. And the UK, as a food growing giant ? The whole country is less than 400 miles long, and never more than 90 miles wide at it´s widest point. All of the UK could be nicely dropped into the space bewteen Windsor and Montreal, and up to North Bay. And it is one of the most crowded countries in the world after India and Pakistan, with 60 million people in it.
You seem to think that you are informed about all things in Canada, when in fact you are not. I ´ve lived here all my life. Who do you think has more Canadian knowledge, you or I? I´m writing this in my front room in Toronto, where are you sitting ? In Canada? My postal code is m6c 2k7, what is your Canadian postal code ?
Now I´ll sit and await your attempts to prove me wrong, again.
Jim B. Toronto
[02-07-2007,18:16]
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Canadian Citizen |
(in reply to: US graduate, thinking of migrating to Canada?)
Jim,
Wikepedia is not a very reliable source. In 2005 Chicago population was 2,842,518, not 5.5 million. You may seach it from different sources; like http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0763098.html,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population.
I earlier gave you the source for the density comparison from http://www.geog.utoronto.ca/programs/geog/under/uoutlines/outlines2006-2007/GGR%20124%20Lec4.pdf (Go to Page 17)
This was part of a research paper from U of T, I rely more on it. I was also a student of U of T, took planning courses and hence know a little bit about population desnity problems in the GTA area. Please keep in mind that this paper is talking about GTA, not just city of Toronto. I also mentioned in my post particularly about GTA. Keep in mind also, that currently Chicago has negative pop. increase whereas GTA has a huge problem with increase.
You 2nd point was just misunderstanding. My apology if I didn´t clarify it well. You are adding the extra 7.4 million that is the problem. It should be adding 19.3, 5.2, and 4.1; should give 28.6. 7.4 million actually is the population of Quebec, ON has 11.9, this two contributes 19.3 miilion in total. Hope it is clear now. With that 28.6 million you have to add about 2.4 Atlantic Province residents to get the total. http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/publications/look/look-09.asp
Anyway,, this is not the core point, main focus is which also clearly written in CIC book that population is mainly conentrated in southern part of the country.
I don´t think the report ever claimed India is a big food exporter, neither UK as a food growing giant. The report tells that though Canada has a huge land mass, only 7% of it can be cultivable. Which eventually gives a very low number. Though India/France/UK are much smaller than Canada but with their high % of cultivabable lands they enjoy more agricultural suitabvle land. This report didn´t tell about the total production figures, that is a different issue.
If you have doubt on it then go tohttp://www.fao.org/es/ess/yearbook/vol_1_2/site_en.asp?page=cp. Here you may find Agri data for all countries. if you try to compare the actual agriculture suitable land you will find that the report was correct. Canada has 45810 hectare whereas India has 160555 Hectare. This was prepared by FAO, not by me or anyone´s personal experience.
I´m not that stupid to claim I know all about Canada, but at least I try to know, and accept others idea with respect. If I find someone wrong I don´t directly call nonsense. I even didn´t tell you anything in my first post, we are all human and make mistake. That´s why with all of my post I refer my source. I don´t bring referecne like I saw it on my own eyes..
I´m not in Canada, though for the discussion going on here I doubt anybody will have to be physically present in Canada or Chicago. All can be well verified by the source data, it is not literature or culture. In your same logic I may give a laugh and say....Did you ever or how long have you lived in India to make such comments...go to India, live there for some years and then make comments. I´m not an Indian neither do I deny your statement about India. I´m just showing you how ELL JUSTIFIED your way of thinking is.
[02-07-2007,19:54]
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Shah |
(in reply to: US graduate, thinking of migrating to Canada?)
Shah, your posts would be far easier to accept if you did not come off so arrogant.
Canada gravitates to the 49th parallel because of trade and transportation. We do not cultivate much of our geography because there is not purpose to. We live close to the transporations routes as most developing nations have done for centuries.
´permanently uninhabitable´ is a gross mistatement. The weather in many of our regions is no more extreme than the central US. It´s just not necessary for us with our population to live there!
Again, if you can find a way to temper your ´know it all´ manner we could have answered our friends question in 2-3 posts and forgot the rest of this pissing contest.
[03-07-2007,01:31]
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sharon |
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