Top 8 reasons NOT to immigrate to Canada-2

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Subject: Top 8 reasons NOT to immigrate to Canada-2
  Anonymous,

Thanks for the feed back and your nice posting. I absolutely understand your points and appreciate very much. You at least acknowledged that in present socialistic form it is almost impossible to change the job scenario. I don´t have any answer too, hence immigrated back into the US after trying hard with no luck. I came into North America as an immigrant, don;t have any family property to support, so I can´t remain under employed for rest of my life even in a nice country like Canada. Though I feel really sorry that Canada is one of the most wealthy country in natural resources, also with valuable human resources but can´t utlilize this.

Canadian weather though not the best, but still bearable if someone doesn´t have cold specific problem. No where is perfect.

Poor job situation is always explained by 2 extreme theory. One from the unemployed immigrant community idicating racism. Another from the established immigrants & citizens as poor english, inferior degree..Nobody really try to find the real reason in what we both agreed. For the believer of first group; say in India 10 of you are competing for a job with local degree with 2 from Madagaskar and 1 from Nicaragua, tell me who will get the job? Is this racism? Not at all. This is just lack of enough oppurtunity for the existing workforce. I absolutely agree that Canada doesn´t need a Ph.D in Sanskrit, may need a summer construction wroker instead. I hope we all understand that and press the Govt. A nation can´t go that far with a disgruntled big part, which is happening by days in Canada. Immigrant communities are getting behind and that may create serious social problems in the near future. Canada should adopt something like US H-1 which would confirm job for an immigrant and hence justifies his permanant immigration. Also may introduce DV like lottery system if they really want to increase the population. This will also protect CIC for cheating like allegations from the disgruntled immigrants.

I believe that the rest of the complains like high tax, weather, high living cost are just originated from the job frustration. I saw nagging immigrants after getting good jobs upright forget their previous tone and start praising everything about Canada.

By the way, H-1 workers are paid less is not very common. May be cases in some minority owned companies (I was also a victim of that long back). But not a common scenario at all. H-1´s major condition is to satisfy the Department of labor that the persons will not be paid under the current /local condition. Off course people can find loop holes from here too. I didn´t have to pay a cent for my H-1, even for my wife´s H4. Though have to share the GC processing, which I don´t mind considering the output.

My advice to all prospective immigrants; research hard before coming, specially prior to selling property/leaving jobs back home. Come first alone and stay for some months then have the idea whether you or Canada are suited for each other.

Thanks Again.

[19-07-2007,16:16]
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Departed_Canadian
(in reply to: Top 8 reasons NOT to immigrate to Canada-2)
I am glad to see that my original posting created good and interesting reactions to a point that we started the post again.

As I said I have received this "8 reasons for not immigrating " via email and I thought it was so bad that it could not be true completely.

If I give you the website it comes from the computer does not let me submit my post so I will say it in words. According to that email the info about not immigrating to Canada can be obtained at the following website:

www dot Not Canada (in one word) dot com

I agree mostly with previous postings. It is critical to plan AHEAD and know what to expect. This is what I am doing myself for now, I just applied 3 months ago for PR but I am exploring the grounds and plan to find a job before landing.

Good luck to all!
And yes ... COLD weather is better than HOT! O Canada!

[19-07-2007,16:51]
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CBV333
(in reply to: Top 8 reasons NOT to immigrate to Canada-2)
CBV333,

Thanks for starting this and good luck in your Canada endeavour.

It is indeed an interesting post which all prospective immigrants should be aware of. They shouldn´t rely on English movie where you see people are driving BMW and living in ranch style houses. There are always 2 sides, try to balance that rationally.

Cold or hot is totally upto you. I live in Forida now and definitely I wouldn´t go to Canada or even US north. I see lot of Canadians come into Florida in the winter, but don´t think that Floridians or Texans have to spend their vacation in Canada because of hot. Cold Canada also has less sunami/katrina like disaster.

It is also true that from where immigrants are coming are not heaven either. Like said earlier by anynomous, most of them are over congested, polluted....and yes, racism is also pronounced everywhere.

[19-07-2007,17:08]
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Departed_Canadian
(in reply to: Top 8 reasons NOT to immigrate to Canada-2)
Forgot to mention, you may visit the following site, it has many well established published stat from trusted source..that would help you.
http://www.canadaimmigrants.com/

Also, in job searching, use a local Canadian address with phone no.

[19-07-2007,17:10]
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Departed_Canadian
(in reply to: Top 8 reasons NOT to immigrate to Canada-2)
Thank you!
[19-07-2007,17:18]
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CBV333
(in reply to: Top 8 reasons NOT to immigrate to Canada-2)
immigration is a serious decision and should not be made based on hearsay, movies or tall tales by friends that think they know everything.

I often read posts here from folks trying to pry the immigration door open without even giving thoughts to their potential success in Canada. If they can just GET HERE, everything will be great. They apply and then do nothing to prepare themselves for arrival. They only focus on how much longer do they need to wait.

May I suggest that preparation is the key to success. As a Canadian, my Masters in History might suggest I have education, but it certainly won´t give me a job anywhere. I need to be prepared to think outside the box if I want to earn a living with a degree in History.

Right or wrong, Canada has given applicants a chance to come regardless of job market conditions, and allow them the freedom to make their way as they choose.

Perhaps this is a mistake. In years past... this was acceptable and welcomed by immigrants. My former father inlaw came to Canada as a welder. He could not find work so he changed careers and did very well. If you ask him, he would say he was glad he could have that freedom to adjust.

Not sure what the ultimate answer is.

[19-07-2007,17:53]
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sharon
(in reply to: Top 8 reasons NOT to immigrate to Canada-2)
Sharon,

Absolutely, people need to understand that immigration is a major decision in life and must be taken after proper research other than relying on some lawyer´s fancy website or freind´s success/failure story or rosy pictures of movies.

Your direction should be taken seriously, in the waiting period prospective immigrants should prepare themselves.

However, I can´t support Canada´s ongoing point system policy by anyway. Though you mentioned that right or wrong Canada is giving the oppurtunity. Absolutely right, smart guys take that, lucky ones can establish themselves in Canada, and some in US. Though I would be more than happy to see immigration policy reflecting current job situation. That is simple, bring Engineers or construction workers if local market need them. Don´t just blindly bring the Engineers.

I also know many succes stories like your father in law. However, I don;t think that it would be that easy to switch profession for the university educated ones, specially who are in their 40´s with many years of experience. Like A physician can´t switch to accounting easily. A barber can be an electrician more easily. Also the question again comes why not increasing or taking just the professions in demand rather than chosing wrong ones at the first place?

But because of this reason you mentioned (Canada has given the entry), inspite of having bad experience in Canada still I would say to look positive about Canada immigration. My suggestion is to take preparation to go for higher studies in Canada. If that is not sufficient to secure you a job (like me) then move to the US. Nothing to lose, right?


[19-07-2007,22:28]
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Departed_Canadian
(in reply to: Top 8 reasons NOT to immigrate to Canada-2)
nope, nothing to lose. But I am puzzled by the urgency to go to the US. Who wants to live in a country with temporary status? Any moment and you are out of there.

Which is worse - closing the door without giving people a chance to be creative with their success or insisting they fill a specific little pigeon hole or forget it.

There are so many ways to earn a living in Canada - I would hate to say no to someone simply because we don´t have room for engineers or IT specialists when they are more than willing to do something else to earn a living.

What Canada wants most is ATTITUDE

[20-07-2007,01:00]
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sharon
(in reply to: Top 8 reasons NOT to immigrate to Canada-2)
All the discussions are interesting but no one points out where to actually find facts!!

The most reliable sources will be the government of Canada websites which only talk about the good Canada. No where on the internet or in the books will someone find the bad side of Canada or any other developed country.

People from other countries are not given an opportunity to visit for a few months to TEST the country as suggested! Why should someone invest 5 or more years and all the fees to get approved only to test and return to their countries with in a short period of time?! To me thats not too smart.

And do you guys understand why people choose to immigrate to Canada, or Australia or New Zealand or the US or Europe or any other country?? Its because they are told that there are opportunities in these countries. And they see the goods from outside these countries and things change once they enter.

I agree that the point system should be replaced with the H-1 type so the immigrants know what to expect when they land.

Canada and Canadians should stop stereotyping and thinking that all immigrants are poor in English language simply because they have a different accent. They should be willing to cooperate with new immigrants just as they are welcoming them with open arms.

Canada should stop humiliating PhDs, MDs and Engineers from foreign countries by forcing them to work as pizza delivery boys or cabbies. If there are no jobs for these people dont give them entry! But you cant blame these people for not preparing as they do not have sources of information. If the government of Canada website shows false information, you cant blame the immigrants. People decide to immigrate based on the Government´s promises... its sad these are sometimes false.

ATTITUDE destroyed the US´s image in the world!

[20-07-2007,08:30]
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Almost Perfect!!
(in reply to: Top 8 reasons NOT to immigrate to Canada-2)
Sharon,

I earlier said that switching professions from one to another is never easy. Say for me, being 2 Masters holders in Engineering should I go to school again for healthcare worker and try again? Or it sounds more resonable to accept one of many lucrative offers from the south? Immigration is time consuming there, also expensive as well. However, possible very much if you don´t have any criminal record or continue or worker status. What if I can´t have? Well, only time can speak. I may assume many what if like that. However, at the moment, rather than continue under employment or start over again in another profession I or anybody would accept offers from US and wait some years to have the GC. US is not a heaven, but already told, I came into NA as an immigrant, I can´t afford to think much beyond my daily needs, and a steady employment is a must for me above all. Just to tell you, 7 of us undergrad freidns from back home came into US and ginished our Masters, I was the only one decided to settle Canada for some reasons like social wealfare..less crime...high living..at last I had to retun back there, now staretd from scratch again. Rest of my friends are well settled there with GC in hand, some even got the passport. Your case and Immigrants cases are not the same. Canada or US is not immigrant´s concern or love, they´ll move where ever they find better oppurtunity. Hope it is clear now. Even many born Canadians follow the same path for the simlar reason. I don´t think an engineer or physician specially with North American degree would prefer to go for healthcare science or social worker.

Almost Perferct:
I exactly tried to say what you have said. Most immigrants see the picture of Canada from the Govt. website or lawyers fancy site. A little more may be GDP, per capita income statistics, unemployment rate... Those will basically tell nothing if can´t analyze. They really need to explore multi dimensional sources and I also feel that official website, even the entire point system is becoming a cruel joke. Well, argument may be immigrants are not promised for jobs in their field. To me, that is just washing the hands from litigation, far away from reality. Like you said, Immigrants come with a hope to sell their skills for a better life. After landing, they eventually find that there is not much room to sell their skills, their skills means nothing here, cruel part is, it is by their same skill they were chosen as immigrants. Out of common sense they expect to retain in their field. Changing profession may be good way? But to what profession? What is demanding? We didn´t talk for any particular profession. It is in general. As being in immigrant community, I see the same picture for all..engineers, physicians (case is little differnt fot them), Accountant....you name it.

I don´t think Canada will go for something like H-1 visa, simply becasue the no. of immigrants will be drastically decreased. That´s why I think this system is very much misleading. I just felt astonished to see more and more professionals in my field coming into Canada and at the same time I was not getting even an interview with US and Canadian degree. How can I support that?

It is very much insulting to say all non Canadian degrees are bad. If that were so, then top US employers wouldn´t visit India every year to hire Indian graduates ignoring extreme immigration barrier. For debate, say indian/Pakistani degrees are bad. How about UK, Australian..even American? They are all bad as well? I think Canadian employers should change their attitude and speak the truth; we don´t have any room for foreign degree holders, we agree you are qualified, but we have to first give chance to our owns. That would be more acceptable to me rather than "Lack of Canadian Experience" or "Foreign Degree" excuse. It is just creating a racial tension among Immigrants and citizens. I´m afraid it will create some social instabilty in Canada in the near future. Frustrated men group are always potential for social trouble.

[20-07-2007,09:50]
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Departed_Canadian
(in reply to: Top 8 reasons NOT to immigrate to Canada-2)
Almost Perfect... Canada is a country of accents so your comment does not hold water.

The CIC website talks very clearly about regulated professions and provincial licensing.

I agree, we should stop allowing people into the country with skills we don´t need - that would save everyone a lot of grief.


[20-07-2007,14:57]
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sharon