Jobs in BC and Alberta

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Subject: Jobs in BC and Alberta
  Hi All

Canada is facing a major Labour Shortage out west and you would think the Government would try better to help. One could say this attempt is good but look closely.



The lower the skilled occupation the more the employer has to do in the contract they have to sign with any future foreign national employee.

Now for those that are seeking out employment for BC and AB do you realize that it will take a month at least for a LMO to be approved in other occupations. If the employer who goes through the process of being pre-approved for LMO?s how will potential employees know who is pre-approved or not?



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Is this labour shortage a Government of Canada propaganda?
Is the Govt. trying to say there is full employment plus a shortage of labour?
If these employers in Alberta and BC are serious in filling those vacancies, you bet I can personally get employees from overseas to fill all those vacancies in one month.
As many of my friends on this site knows, getting a job in Canada whilst overseas is NEARLY impossible.
When you send resumes to these employers they do not even acknowledge it. So, are they serious with filling these vacancies?
The U.S appears to be more serious in filling labour shortages.
I wish to hear others comments on this.
Over to you Richard, Sutar, Departed Canadian, CVV, Sharon etc.

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Agree with Balwant that out-of-country job seekers seem to be practically ignored. I´m referring to professional skilled workers with university education and skills in demand. I think this is true even for PR in-country applicants. I don´t know why this is. Some think it´s an inherent bias in favor of hiring Canadian over foreign (albeit legal permanent resident) workers. Much less pervasive in the States.

But Roy is correct in that the lower skilled seekers must make an extra effort to finding, contacting, and applying for positions in western provinces.

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when I read the skill list I almost lost my coffee all over my monitor. This is total insanity.

Is there a skill shortage - yes. Are we at ´full employment plus a shortage´ In BC and Alberta - yes.

Are there recent immigrants out there looking for work - yes. Several reasons why - CIC did not require a matching job to their PR; their language skills are weak (but they had their 67 points); or they are too proud to do anything other than what they were educated to do; or they apply their home country prejudices around what jobs are honourable, desireable, or have status. (Don´t say I am full of it on this one. If you are honest, you will have to at least acknowledge that for some... this is a big struggle)

The problem is that most Canadian young people and CIC are paying zero attention to the kind of jobs the economy is needing. My colleagues are screaming for qualified staff. It is not just one or two of them - ALL of them. There are no people out there available to work at the $12-16 range - those security guards, coffee baristas, retail clerks, receptionists, construction gophers (the guys that generally help out). The list is huge.

Then you have the jobs that require licensing or are not recognized in the NOC list by CIC - such as project managers, controllers, AR/AP, property managers.

Then there are the constuction trades- pipe fitters, glazers, brick layers, landscapers, drywallers´s bad for business out there.

There is a huge disconnect and nobody is winning. When I read the article I just laughed. Most employers are not going to go through that hassle to hire. They would rather reduce hours or pay a lot of overtime.

The whole system is stupid.

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Well done, Sharon.
You say it in one sentence, " The whole system is stupid".

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Sharon, Balwant, Richard I could not agree more with you. It is so true.

Sharon the way you put it is great. You expressed in words what I had in mind. It is so so true.

As far as I am concerned, I don´t have that "pride", I have a PhD and yes I am ready to work in a coffee shop or whatever if I don´t get a job straight away or at all.

Good to know BC and AB are in good demand. I know where to go now :)

And yes the whole system is stupid. We keep saying that all over and coming back to it once in a while. Nothing new in there :)

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Agree with Sharon on system problems. However, the U.S. requirement for job offer tied to PR is problematic. It´s way too restrictive (my opinion). Canadian PR access based on skills/work experience allows skilled immigrants an open door to try life in Canada as they see fit, without being boxed-in, pressured, and harnessed to a particular employer.

Lack of such open PR policy in the U.S. system causes much of the illegal immigration and visa overstays. Yes, the Canadian system may cause some new PRs to struggle in finding employment at first, but that´s a society showing respect for the individual´s abilities, responsibilities, and freedom of choice, not indenturement to a particular employer.

U.S. immigration, by the way, is considering the Canadian skills and experience qualification model.

Also, CBV´s comment brought something to mind and have been wondering about regarding job availability in U.S. vs. Canada. Many here having access to PR in both Canada and the U.S. If offered a position immediately in one´s skilled profession in the states vs. temporary coffee shop work in Canada (until sought-after job offer), which is preferred?

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I have something to add.

Let say that CIC lets you hire people to work in your restaurant.....

How can I justify a "fair" wage when a house is over $450,000????????

Lack of planning from our Government and the cost of housing is a recipe for a disaster. (Here in Northern Alberta)


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we are starting to look like big US or European cities. Majority of workers will never own their own home.

We are going to turn into Boston or SF where the majority of city workers will come in from the suburbs for employment.

In terms of house prices, we have a problem - it´s called expectations and standards. Never mind the cost of land - a story unto itself and we have no choices about that part -
why do we insist that first home have 3 bathrooms, granite counter top, hardwood floors, a full garage, living room AND family room. We also have a national building code that adds thousands of dollars to building costs when we could likely do with lots less. We have restrictions on how small we can build our ´affordable housing´ - don´t get me started.

I am a huge fan of the Home and Gardens Channel and I see homes around the world that most Canadians would consider sub-standard. We need to get real here.

In some countries like Hong Kong - Canadian real estate is still a bargain.

The people I feel most sorry for are those that are paying the same rent as a mortgage payment and it is going into the big sea of nothingness. That lousy downpayment is a bigger obstacle than the price of houses and I think Canada has learned from our neighbours that sub-prime mortgages is no way to solve that one.

If we compensate wages much more, we will be economically uncompetative and no work means not even being able to pay rent never mind buying a house.

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Now reading your post I have 2 questions:

1) Can new immigrants buy a house in Canada by the way ? or some kind of credit history, employment status and this and that are required ?

2) What is a typical down payment ? 10%, 20% or more ?

I mean, it makes sense for new immigrants (let´s say) they have a job in one place (i.e: some regular income) to pay mortgage rather then rent. Am I wrong ?

We plan to buy a house about one year after we land, provided we both have a good job. Is that unfeasible given the costs ? I am confused now.

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1) they are going to want some employment security unless you have a substantial down payment. It is not uncommon for an entire family to buy a house and all be listed on the mortgage.
2) the banks like to see 20% otherwise you are looking at needing mortgage insurance, and your interest rates are slightly higher.

3) Big Cities such as Toronto and Vancouver are expensive even for people born here. However, many new Canadians are able to buy that first home and are able to do well.

There was a recent study done that compared renting and investing vs. owning a home. The premise was that real estate was not necessarily the best long term investment. Well, it is. Any appreciation you make on your principle residence is yours - tax free. If you are renting and trying to save some money for your future, you are hard pressed to have the same rate of return.

I am paying a little more in mortgage than my rent would be for the same condo. However, one day my mortgage payments will stop. At the same time, my condo has increased in value as much as I paid this year in mortgage payments. It isn´t always this good but at the moment it sure is sweet.


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