Regarding PR

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Subject: Regarding PR
  I got my PR and I need to get it stamped by end of this month. Last time I went to borders to land and the officer asked me to convince that i am landing there permanently. I told I am working in US and going there to find the house and job. He told I need to import atleast my van to convince him that i am going to settle there. At this point of time i don´t have intention of moving but in next 3 yrs who know. I got the PR and don´t want to loose it.
I would like to know how to convince the officer that i would like to land?
Thanks

[22-10-2007,17:17]
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radhika
(in reply to: Regarding PR)
the border officer has every right to question your true intentions - it is his job and golly gee - he is right. You have very little intention of taking up Canadian residency. Canada is not really interesting in spending money as your back up plan and that is exactly what you are asking them to do.

The officer gave you a suggestion as to ways to make a compelling case for landing. Your other option is to forfeit and reapply when you have made up your mind about where you want to live.

There are so many people waiting in line behind you that are being asked to wait because you have claimed a spot. You may wish to duck in case someone throws something at you.

[22-10-2007,17:42]
[***.121.220.199]
Sharon
(in reply to: Regarding PR)
"I got the PR and don´t want to lose it" you said.

So what are you waiting for ? Move to Canada and leave the US for good. The best way to convince an officer is that you should show that you have nowhere else to go so QUIT your job in US and carry proof, cross the border with a van full of your stuff and show also things like end of your lease and so on ...

If you had no intention of leaving US why did you apply for PR ???

This is highly frustrating to hear for someone like me who is "dying" to live this place and move to Canada and who is eagerly waiting for PPR.

[22-10-2007,17:53]
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CBV333
(in reply to: Regarding PR)
"I would like to know how to convince the officer that i would like to land? "
Actually land with intention of PERMANENTLY residing in Canada.

You know, thre is a reason why it is called PERMANENT residency.

I suggest to either leave USA for good or forefit your PR. You have to fulfill the minimum residency obligation in order not to lose your PR and I doubt you´ll be able to do that.

[22-10-2007,18:36]
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Nikolai
(in reply to: Regarding PR)
Radhika,

Although I respect Sharon and CBV here, I completely disagree with their advice to you.

Canadian law allows permanent residents to live outside of Canada for up to 3 out of every 5 years. You have this right as a new PR. In fact, many new PRs land and simply turn around the same day and head back to the U.S. Much depends on the immigration officer at the time you land, because they do need to know that you intend to make Canada your permanent home.

I suggest submitting your "Goods´ and "Goods to Follow" lists at time of landing to show your intention to permanently move to Canada, although physically settle at a later date.

We didn´t import out car at the time we landed, and immigration didn´t require us to. We explained we still have a house in the U.S., and for a while we´ll be traveling back and forth to move and need to use it there. It was true, and the officer was fine with that.

Listen you other guys, stop harassing Radhika with things to throw at and questioning her motivation. You don´t know other people´s situations and needs. If you don´t like PRs who settle later, complain to Canada´s immigration minister and have them change the law. (adding a smiley because I´m not yelling or anything, just making a point :-))

[22-10-2007,18:38]
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Richard
(in reply to: Regarding PR)
Poor Radhika is caught ofguard:). I understand how it irritates the real PR applicants wiating in the queue. They have good reason to be upset.

It is clear according to her that you guys are correct about her intetion. But she is not alone, there are many thousands like her, using the PR as a back up plan of US. For some reaons she was caught at the border (I heard this for the 1st time). So many of freinds landed without any problem, and except one nobody went there again.

Though we may upset but have to acknowledge that this lady did nothing wrong from legal point, it is fully allowed by the law to land and even leave Canada the next day and then come again after 3 years. 2/5 years rule gave that option. If it were like past rule (no longer than 6 months outside Canada) then this back up planners may be discouraged.

Radhika,
Did you see the img. officer enter any note in the computer system? Anything in your visa? If not then can attempt again by telling the truth, surely not Canada is a back up plan. But you need some times (not 3 years by any means) to pack up US ties for good. It works usually. Explain why it needs time and you to retrun US temporarily again.

[22-10-2007,18:45]
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Departed_Canadian
(in reply to: Regarding PR)
Richard,

Right after I posted the previous one I saw your one.

For some reason our logical sense coincides in the same way. Isn´t it?

Everybody should respect the existing law. If you don´t like the 2/5 years law then try to change it rather than suspecting persons like Radhika and use hard words. So far all are your suspiscion, she even told that she would settle in Canada after 3 within 3 years. She may or may not have the back up. So why try to be a thought reader?

[22-10-2007,18:50]
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Departed_Canadian
(in reply to: Regarding PR)
DC,

Yes we agree on most things here for some reason! I thought you gave Radhika good advice.

And I also agree that we understand why CBV and Sharon are not excited about PRs coming and then leaving right away. It´s so difficult for many people to get immigration approval, with all the waiting and effort.

But the law is the law as you say. Some people need the extra time to tie things up at where their coming from and prepare for settlement. This includes ending their work contracts and other commitments.

[22-10-2007,18:58]
[**.53.226.12]
Richard
(in reply to: Regarding PR)
I don´t think anyone has a problem with someone taking a year - 18 months to wind up a life somewhere else before making a move. That is real life and given how long this entire process takes, it makes total sense.

Where we get bent out of shape is the clear comment there is ´no intention to move´.

I think that is where the rub is. Border officials are often sending people back that look like they are moving permanently when they actually are still waiting for a final answer from CIC (in the case of sponsorship applications) and in this case, we are dealing with the opposite - someone wanting to claim their rights to Canada without any genuine longterm intent.

I went through the border this past weekend. You hand the officer your passport and they scan it. there is no real way to tell what has been entered but coming back into Canada they knew the exact time I went through 2 days earlier and the reason I gave for my visit. I would count on CIC records showing attempted landing declined.

[22-10-2007,19:00]
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Sharon
(in reply to: Regarding PR)
Looks like poor Radhika´s fault was being truthful. She said "no intention to move" after "At this point of time". Meaning not sure now, but after some years she may. Morever whatever she says, she is within the current law. Though CIC also has full right to inquire about her intention and deny entry. That´s it.

Out of common sense, I even wouldn´t buy the verval declaration of "My Intention". What if she moves with a Van full of some household stuufs and sell/ leave everything there and come back? I don´t wanna drag it long by asking many other probabilities. We also have to keep in mind that many immigrants leave Canada. There is also no way to blame them. So what´s so srong with her?

All of friends either entered Canada with their own car or rented car and told clearly that they would come into US for some time to prepare for the final move and because of their job it is not possible to immediately settle into Canada. From moral point, they can be blamed. from legal, no way.

[22-10-2007,19:29]
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Departed_Canadian
bloody Sharon (in reply to: Regarding PR)
Please close this bloody Sharon´s mounth once and for all!
She writes the most bullship -- she´s areadl good example of tunnel-thinking.

[22-10-2007,20:10]
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Anonymous