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CBV,
I never ever say that Canada has all bad sides, no good side at all. Did I? I always acknowledge that Canada is one of the best country in the world to live, to immigrate. Just not for all. This is my whole point.
Research doesn´t mean just one Side. Should be both sided. Canadian Govt. has full right to take immigrants. But no right to give false impression which they are doing by showing a rosy picture. That´s why in my last posting I said that if they would just add the evaluation of their own monisters....then I WOULDN´T WASTE MY TIME HERE.
You got the idea about both sides, then decided to come (or have to in your specific case), you are most welcome. I only try to make sure that people at least get the chance of knowing both side. Original poster AP also took the challenge knowingly, he recently landed into Canada. For most of the immigrants, it is not the case.
Roy,
I´m really departed. Is it a new news for you? If so then I can send you several materials to know about guys like me who with high class Canadian degree have to leave their country for good.
I know all immigrants are not good, really qualified. Many frauds are there too. That doesn´t mean that all are bad either. Specially guys like me. I never talk with refernce to a single person, I always draw the bigger statistical picture.
Thanks
[31-10-2007,13:57]
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Departed_Canadian |
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(in reply to: I LMAO too-II)
I have noticed something - the term ´skilled worker´ has a very narrow definition amongst many members of this forum. No doubt some of it comes from home country biases but that is not Canada´s responsibility.
Engineers, doctors, pharmacists, and IT are not the only jobs out there that pay serious salaries and require skill. Perhaps we should eliminate those skills from the NOC list so we don´t disappoint anyone upon arrival?
Skilled Worker immigration is offered to carpenters, brick layers, gas fitters etc and guess what - they make far more money than an engineer and there is endless work opportunities for those people. In Canadian society these people and skills are well paid, respected and without shame.
So, is the system broken - yes, but only for some.
I support the Australian system of matching applicant to skill shortages and have always said so.
My question to DC and others... if Canada turned you down because it did not have a perfectly matched job for you - would you accept that result or would you yell and scream that you should be given a chance to make your life in Canada any way you like. Or, would you accept Canada accepting you on the condition you live in a certain part of the country where your skill is required?
[31-10-2007,14:21]
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sharon |
(in reply to: I LMAO too-II)
Agree with Sharon, drop some professions from Skilled worker list, and opt the australian system of pre-certification so to speak. If you don´t have enough jobs in that profession, just take them out of the NOC. Its a big joke as far as the IT jobs go, Canadian IT workers try to cross the border for better jobs !!
Roy,
No one here is saying just hire anyone with a degree. There is something called a job interview which can be efficiently used to determine how good the applicant is. Not every Canadian hired is fit for the job, are they ? .... why ? what happened to the whole Canadian degree and Canadian work experience theory ? Some professions do require licensing, for example electricians etc, I have no issues there, but you cannot take it to all professions, some profesions like programming, or architecture etc does not need it because the skill is absolute, does not matter where you apply it. If you don´t have jobs then don´t let them in.
As you have said, its hard to change the rules instantly, and I totally agree with it. Change happens.... gradually. I hope that there are changes in the skilled category immigration policy in the near future to benefit all the skilled immigrants. If there is more awareness, it will expedite the changes. I am hoping that sometime in the future when we look back at these posts we are able to put things into perspective. We cannot point a finger and say you or me is the culprit for having an opinion. Typically what happens is that when the rules do change everybody jumps onto the new bandwagon after admitting that the old rules needed to be updated, but the damage is already done. That is why real life experiences of immigrants play an important part. Its very easy for some, sitting inside the comfort of their homes to pass judgements on how the new immigrants should behave. I can tell you one thing for sure though, if you ask a 40 year old educated degree holder skilled immigrant with 2-3 kids to start their life from scratch in any part of the world, they are not going to be happy, unless of course the only other alternative that they have is death. Well dude... use the refugee category instead.
[31-10-2007,14:34]
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Raj |
(in reply to: I LMAO too-II)
DC
please don´t misinterpret me, I know you never said what you thought I may have said, I agree with you they are both sides: good and bad and both should be weighted and yes Government has no right to give false hopes to future immigrants. What I said is that research should be done on their own and "rosy" pictures should be taken with precautions. My philosophy is that if one decides to immigrate to Canada, this should be done with an OPEN MIND and a positive thinking.
Sharon
To response your question: I would yell and scream that I should be given a chance to make a life in Canada the way I like. I don´t expect my PhD to help me to find a job in my field in Canada, I am going there with an open mind, no matter what, in my case, life can only be better than in USA.
I guess the whole issue also depends on the reason of immigrating to Canada: some go there for a better life, or a new life, or joining family ... in my individual case, it is a different reason therefore "finding a job in my field" does not apply to me.
[31-10-2007,14:37]
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CBV333 |
(in reply to: I LMAO too-II)
Raj
Agreed with what you said.
Your ending is very true too ... nobody around 40 would be happy to start life from scratch ... it comes to what I said immigrating is a CHOICE therefore it should be thought carefully from all sides.
If some people are immigrating to escape "something" then they should be happy for getting a chance to be in Canada!
As for the job issue, Raj said it truly: changes occur gradually it will take time to see the immigration system evolves in a better way, in the meantime that does not mean people should be negative of their future there.
[31-10-2007,15:04]
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CBV333 |
(in reply to: I LMAO too-II)
So, how does Canada accomodate CBV and protect people from bad research at the same time?
In my 5 years at this forum I see endless posts about what someone needs to do to get those 67 points - end of discussion. They MUST come to Canada no matter what. Who knows what they are leaving behind. They send in their applications and then forget about it beyond - how much longer, how much longer. A person has almost 5 years to figure out what Canada is about. How many times do they listen to their coffee shop friends who all imagine that anywhere is better than home and they can worry about the details later.
Who´s fault is that?
A Canadian university student goes into an area of study because they have an interest in it. Rarely is the decision influenced by job opportunities upon graduation. We say the same thing to them! Do your homework and don´t complain if you are not a teacher after you graduate. We don´t need teachers!
However, as CBV suggests, education proves you can learn and think. Therefore should we give people the freedom to chart their own path as they choose? My guy is a software engineer. He went into engineering because he had aptitude and that was one of the educational streams that the government was encouraging. If given a choice - he would not spend the rest of his life writing Java script.
In his mind, his degrees will get him in the door - he is free beyond that to do anything he wishes and he welcomes that opportunity. Canadians change their careers up to 5 times in a lifetime. New Canadians should be given the same opportunity should they wish to.
BTW - There are currenly 1,200 IT job postings on one website in BC alone.
[31-10-2007,15:09]
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sharon |
(in reply to: I LMAO too-II)
Agreed with Sharon.
She expressed it in a nice way.
This is not typical of Canada. Many people immigrate to other countries with some "dreams" and once they land they are faced with the harsh reality.
I have a good example: I lived in Japan for 2 years in a residence where only foreigners lived. I have seen the excitement on new arrivals face (even though it was not immigrants but exchange temporary workers) ... it took only a week to see that wipe off quickly. Why ? Japan is not bad, those people had expectations and what they faced they were not prepared, then they go back quickly to their own country if they can.
I enjoyed my life there throughoutly because I knew what to expect. Immigrating to Canada should be the same process.
I guess yes education helps to think. Maybe I get easily irritated when I see people complaining being in Canada with not the job they wanted as opposed to some others crying in their home country dying to go to Canada just to be with their loved ones.
I guess is human nature to desire what you don´t get.
Anyway I am deviating here ... if someone cannot be happy in Canada then why immigrating there in the first place. I can´t understand that.
[31-10-2007,15:26]
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CBV333 |
(in reply to: I LMAO too-II)
Sharon,
If I get your question properly, honestly, I prefer USA over Canada for many other reasons. So the question you asked kind a imperative to me. Though I can tell you for sure the other guys yelling/screaming wouldn´t hesitate a bit to move into other parts of Canada given a decent job in their field. Changing field? Again same thing to me. I already got 2 Masters in my field. Definitely wouldn´t start from scrath in other field whereas I´m being invited by many of my top employers in the world on the south side. Can tell about the other immigrants, like Raj said, "nobody around 40 would be happy to start life from scratch .." this is practical. However, I think that they should calculate that as a challenge if want to establish. Frustration comes when even getting hard earned Canadian degree doesn´t work. What else can be done?
You brought a good point though. SW class doesn´t necessrily means only IT, Engineers..Accountant, Pharmacists (university Grads). It also means skillful workers like carpenters..welders...If Canada needs them then I absolutely don´t have any problem to bring them. That how it should be. System is broken discovered not just lst week, 2 years back Joe Volpe (then Fed Img. minister) and Cole (ON Img. minister) agreed. So far did we see any action to correct it? Rather they sometimes try to think that the 250 can be increased to 3000,000. So, Raj & CBV, I can´t rely much on the gradual change concept.
I always say the same thing, follow the US H-1 like system where people will come with job or at least the Ausie system. Then no parties will have anything to nag about.
I apprecite your acknowledgement that Canada is not the place for the University educated professionals, rather for the skill/artful craftsmen. Please keep that in mind and try to correct anybody doesn´t want to acknowledge this fact and spread false hope.
[31-10-2007,15:29]
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Departed_Canadian |
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Boy you type have all the time in the world, LOL
Waiting for three clients then going trick or treating.
Work permits are fast but in certain provinces the LMO takes weeks and sometimes months to get. Mean while none of the work is getting done.
A Skilled Worker is just that a potential employee. Construction jobs are every where yet employers do not want to pay for the LMO, advertisements etc and then get someone who could never hit a nail with a hammer.
I have employer who wants potential former employees to pay for their own flight to Canada. Show off their construction skills then he will advertise go after a LMO and issue a contract to the potential employee.
Many say just hire the guy based on his/her CV but he says no way. BEEN THERE DONE THAT. He has hired to many that were not qualified to do the work.
In certain countries not prone to earth quakes they have very poor building codes and basically throw Ferro Cement in the corners to keep the cement block walls together.
Roy Kellogg
www.cvimmigration.com
[31-10-2007,15:35]
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Roy |
(in reply to: I LMAO too-II)
CBV,
The last question you asked, "if someone cannot be happy in Canada then why immigrating there in the first place. I can?t understand that" is very typical and most likely we answered many times, even you gave the answer.
Simple. They didn´t know what to expect before coming.
Why they are still residing? May be multi.
- Some even don´t have money to purchase air ticket for the family, Canadians earning 70/80K wouldn´t believe, but true. There are many many families are relying on charity food bank, so don´t be that surprized. In the process of immigration, settling in Canada they already lost their entire life savings. Had to leave job back home..sold properties, which they can´t recover now.
- For the sake of their children hoping they´ll get a fair chance.
- Some social factors. Possible teasing from their freinds/relatives back home.
No doubt there are always everywhere some losers who are never happy.
[31-10-2007,15:43]
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Departed_Canadian |
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And many are making a great success of their life. Employed in what they do or have started their own business and no longer have to answer to the boss.
Life is not all bad.
If you were this negative back home then you attract negative stuff to you.
Think positive, stop whinning and look forward.
Roy
[31-10-2007,15:46]
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Roy |
(in reply to: I LMAO too-II)
Sharon, you said....
"anywhere is better than home and they can worry about the details later." attitude.... its totally true, and we are here to educate people that for "some" skilled jobs you should have the new attitude... "anywhere is better than home (and Canada) and they can worry about the details later."
And for the ones who are desperate to get 67 points.... well they are ready to go anywhere in the world that will accept them, and they do not deserve to complain if Canada does not have jobs for them, as technically they should apply under a different category.
[31-10-2007,15:59]
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Raj |
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