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Sharon, I think that Canada is a nice country.It has one of the highest standards of living in the world.
However,one thing that frustrates most immigrants is the provincial mentality that employers have. They won´t even accept american experience. it has to be Canadian experience. That means you have to start all over again.
Nothing is perfect, but I do feel that the employers could be a little more open.
[12-11-2007,15:33]
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Sam |
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Don´t do it Sam.... don´t do it !!!
[12-11-2007,15:36]
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Raj |
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Sam,
Again the same issue.
Just for you, I´m a great victim of what you said, but still can´t blame the employers for this.
I would blame the policy makers of the country who do not have any idea about the reality and unecessarily bringing many particular class of professionals for nothing.
How would I blame the employers for not hiring me when they get locally educated/trained professionals readily available? This is just there is no balance between demand and supply. I would do the same thing also being in their position.
[12-11-2007,15:39]
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Departed_Canadian |
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Employers, or their staff have one responsibility - to themselves and to the person who writes their cheque. Hire the best possible candidate for the job.
The business community does not have time nor can they afford the luxury of trial and error hiring. So, that means they hire the best they possibly can out of a pool of canadidates from all over the world and from Canada. Sometimes there is the luxury of giving someone their first chance but that luxury must be balanced off against possible risk of over stated skills, non trasferable protocols or possible struggles with english or french.
Government regulation and real life do not sing a duet off the same song sheet. Nobody helps employers take those risk. No government agency offers incentives to hire new Canadians.
The government needs to take ownership of what they do and how they do it. The new Canadian needs to understand the plight of the employer and adapt accordingly, and once that happens... we will have nothing to complain about.
[12-11-2007,15:54]
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Sharon |
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Thanks Sharon.
Closer to my idea now.
I only wish that all prospective immigrants before coming get a clear idea about this. Where American credentials most likely don´t work then they should realize what is waiting with Asian or other degrees. If they still want to come, most welcome.
[12-11-2007,16:25]
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Departed_Canadian |
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I personally think US credentials do have merit in Canada- but the question still remains, pool size, candidates work and education history and golly gee - is this candidate a good fit for the company. Credentials are not the only consideration of an employer.
Believe it or not, US teacher training has a terrible reputation so just because it has a Made in the USA on it does not mean it is gold standard training.
[12-11-2007,16:59]
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Sharon |
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Us has both types of degrees, gold or garbage depending on the quality of schools you went.
That is again immaterial here. Last year a chinese immigrant holding PhD in Neuclear Physics from Purdue University commited suicide jumping from the Don Valley Pky, Toronto because of job disatisfaction. There mustn´t be any doubt about the qiality of Purdue.
Basic question remains the same, locals always get the priority and I think that is fair.
[12-11-2007,17:09]
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Departed_Canadian |
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Ok, there are a lot of companies in Canada that will accept american experience, of course depending on the field.
I am born american and I am as a american as it gets and now I live in Canada.
I must say though, the US school system is very poor. The only ones that believe that the american system is the greatest are the ignorant americans that were born there.
Most of them won´t have a CLUE what´s going on two hunder yards away from their work place. It is almost impossible to have a racional conversations with a born american, WELL not all of them but WITH MOST OF them.
Just look at the TV show "Are you smarter than a 5th grader".
Unfortunelly a lot people expect to be recognized outside of the US without knowing how little they actually know.
I know it hurts, sad but true.
There are opportunities in this country, lots of them. We have a very stable market, awesome economy and if you walk around the head offices of big corporations such as shell, amec colt, esso you will find out that there is a big % of foreign workers, landed immigrants and new Canadians working there.
I refuse to believe that a country that is receiving over 220k immigrants a year, no one can find a professional job.
Some people won´t be succesfull here but it could happen everywhere else in the world.
We build our own success and create our own failure.
The Canadian government needs to update some of there own practices, I agree.
Same applies for most or all different governements in the world.
The mentality "If I am succesfull is bacause I worked hard and If I fail is somebody else´s fault"
ain´t work really well in reality.
It is possible to be very succesful in this country.
I don´t know if is easier or harder than the US, but this is by far the best part of North America.
Proud new Canadian eh!
Bill
[12-11-2007,17:11]
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Bill |
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I´m starting to change, and agree withg first poster´s comments. I keep hearing that the immigrant is on his own, shouldn´t expect anything, and accept life in Canada as it´s dealt upon arrival. Darwinism is fine as long as everyone has equal footing.
Canadian companies are not so open to hiring non-Canadians, pure and simple. A solution is for the government to take ownership of the problem and establish a skills-to-employer job matching service or agency. As many here have said before, you can´t just lure people to Canada and then let them sink. The government should also offer companies incentives to hire new skilled immigrants.
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Richard |
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would you welcome or resist a system that cuts you out of a PR opportunity because you don´t have the skills Canada needs this week?
That is what you are proposing and quite honestly, if it would end the griping I would be all for it.
Canadian employers have no option but to hire foreigned trained workers - we have a 30 year low in unemployment and an aging population. SOMEBODY needs to do the job so the notion that Canadian employers refuse or resist hiring new Canadians is bunk.
When the enconomy tanks at one end of the country from our over inflated dollar, should we suspend immigration or should we realize by the time Jim gets to Canada we will be in a new cycle! Quick response time to economic conditions and labour shortages simply is not possible. So... what do we do?
[12-11-2007,17:27]
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Sharon |
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Ok, Everyone had his his turn. But Hard to say how many have the real experience about the subjects they discussed about. Well, I guess all of you have talked about real scenarios.
Tis a CAN Immigration forum so first and formost thing is to first getting into the country, well its I guess early to discuss about what would happen after being in there. But those too are significant facts that everyone should know prior to entering to the country.
I am gonna differentiate the things those are logical and illogical that has been set by the Employers/govt.
Logical
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1. French Requirement: Whole of the Quebec is densed with people from France, Ireland and the UK. Most of them talk in French.
2. Employers would normally seek for people having degrees from their country as only those people would really know the facts and whereabouts about almost everything of Canada. Sharon said the exact things. There are actually many things related that makes a man to get a job. Experience, GPA doesnt matter these days, Remember. Employers need performance from you, not Your Degree or your Grades, Yes, degrees and Grades are the filtering process to deduct applicants. In an open economy like Canada, Government would no way take the responsibilities of debacle of any private company, nor they can afford to do so.
My Observation is that CAN has so far given Immi to a lot of people who got the immi based on points from their Education- no way capable to feed the thriving economy or business environments in Canada, Lame Working experience, Points from wives. I sometimes get a feeling that CAN govt has targetted the 2nd generation Canadian, kids of these migrants. Personally I have seen 1-2 successful couples invented electric circuits that helped CAN for their Scientific missions. they are now turning off their Phones to have a sound sleep at night.
You cant expect a job having a degree in Sociology, Political science from other countries. They are useless in Canada. Some guys earning millions making softwares in Canada. believe me they only have a lower class Bachelors and Masters from Indian Colleges. But they have the skill that Canada and the world Needs !You need to have the Univarsality of your skill.
[12-11-2007,17:29]
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Jnathan |
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Dear Bill,
I´m sorry to say that what you commented about the Americans are equally true for you being a Canadian. You have no idea about the job market. True that many thousands of immigrants are successful around you because you see them around your work place. But my friend, you don´t see the ones who spend their life in social, working in the gas station..Now I know what you will tell. They deserve it....poor degree...poor english....more ever your most favourite "LACK OF POSITVE MOTIVE".
Just as a little eye opener to you, I can show reliable reports from Canadian medias about how Canadian citizens with high class Canadains degrees have to leave Canada for the same reason, that is lack of oppurtunity. Just last month in Vancouver (supposedly crying for skill shortage) it was publihsed. PLEASE READ BEFORE COMMENTING FARTHER:
http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=b7423625-94b2-447e-bca0-7d8d1ade4f48&k=75475
Some extracts from here:
1. There are about 2.7 million Canadians living abroad. That represents about 8.3 per cent of our population, making Canadians one of the most significant diasporas in the world.
2. This means that Canadians, on a per capita basis, are about twice as likely as an Australian, three times more likely than an American and four times more likely than a citizen of India to embrace a global life
3.The children of these immigrants are now graduating from our universities and colleges. Many are looking for high-paying and high-flying jobs, not many of which exist in B.C. So they head for the airport. The same has become true of the children of Canadians who have been here for generations. Opportunity lies further afield for the young.
4.One of the key elements of the Asia Pacific Foundation´s survey, in fact, is that it kills the myth that only the so-called Hong Kong astronauts are flying back and forth across the globe. While the survey made no ethnic breakdown, it did find that two-thirds of overseas Canadians who took part in the survey reported they were Canadians by birth.
5.These are definitely our best and brightest, too. An extraordinary 50 per cent of respondents said they had a post-graduate degree, while 43 per cent had some level of undergraduate education.
It brings to mind two words: brain drain.
Please explain why canadians have to leave their country in so high rate, why their own graduates are leaving their country every year? Not only just for USA which is generally believed, even for many Asian countries. You are telling me some nice stories about success or being psotive! GIVE ME SOME GOOD logical EXPLANATION rather than giving some being a Philosopher.
I can show you several established stats about this.
Reason is simple and clear; Canada is one of the greatest country in the world to live, equally it has very little to offer to the educated people. Forget about the immigrants, just see their own citizens luck. Everybody knows in Canada it is not what do you know, more important is who do you know.
Americans may not be very smart (?), don´t know very well about the outsides. true. BUT, still may I ask how many new innovations came from them and how many from Canada? When did Canada last time get a noble prize (1999), and how many America got?
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