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´1. There are about 2.7 million Canadians living abroad. That represents about 8.3 per cent of our population, making Canadians one of the most significant diasporas in the world.´
I am surprised that you would make such a math error!
Population of Canada is 33.3 million as of July 2007. 2.7 million is less than 1 percent not 8.3 percent.
of that 1%, how many are actually skilled worker? based on CIC states about 50%. The rest are spouses and children. Thats the same formula they use for CIC annual intake.
Out of that 1%, how many are like Balwant - sitting with a PR but not living in Canada and with no intention to live in Canada. He might have his family (I don´t know) but he makes no bones about Guyana being ´home´. How many are are in other countries as part of government, or military or Canadian subsiduaries or at the invitation of a country because Canada´s education system is highly regarded around the world. How many came to Canada without any intention whatsoever to live here permanently - like the 300,000 ´Canadians´ living in Hong Kong that wanted a plan B incase the Chinese government put on the sqeeze.
It is not always about desperation.
[12-11-2007,19:05]
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Sharon |
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(in reply to: do the math DC)
Sharon,
First of all I didn´t report that, that was published in your very Vancouver Sun, I believe a very reputable daily.
I think you better re-calculate the math.
Grossly, %=2.7/33.3*100= 8.11%. Plain & Simple.
About the Honkkong/Canada dual citizenship concept read the vancouver sun report again. It clearly wrote that is not correct. Here it goes, "One of the key elements of the Asia Pacific Foundation?s survey, in fact, is that it kills the myth that only the so-called Hong Kong astronauts are flying back and forth across the globe. While the survey made no ethnic breakdown, it did find that two-thirds of overseas Canadians who took part in the survey reported they were Canadians by birth." Hope now it is clear to you.
If ask me, I would say the actual no. is even higher. As it doesn´t count the overseas PRs. it is just the citizens. Think about what could the absolute no considering both citizens+PRs.
That report clearly reported,
"These are definitely our best and brightest, too. An extraordinary 50 per cent of respondents said they had a post-graduate degree, while 43 per cent had some level of undergraduate education.".
It brings to mind two words: brain drain. That tells lot about who are leaving.
Now another similar findins by Ryerson Uniersity;
"Canada is gaining a reputation overseas as a place that´s not as friendly to immigrants as people like to think. Myer Siemiatycki, Ryerson University".
from this reprt also,
""I did a study to find out who is leaving and it´s the best and the brightest, immigrants and those born in Canada. The research shows they do much better than those they left behind."
Now upto you to decide.
[12-11-2007,19:29]
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Departed_Canadian |
(in reply to: do the math DC)
my error on the math (blush)
How many people on forums ask how long it takes to become citizens. Why do you think that is? so they can vote???
I don´t mind you presenting the alternative view but your soap box approach is getting really tired. We can stack up news articles forever. We can quote forever.
It is almost like you are trying to justify your decision to leave or validate that you had no part to play in it not working out very well.
There is no place on earth that we can find guaranteed success - not even the US of A. There is no place on earth that will guarantee total job satifaction. So... it did not work out for you, that does not mean it will not work for others.
[12-11-2007,20:03]
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Sharon |
(in reply to: do the math DC)
Now you made me laugh Sharon.
I´m not getting into your math error or what provoked you to commit such silly mistake.
Whatever I present all factual, based on published by the well reputed Canadians sources. If you can refute those, like debunk that NO, Canadian Citizens with Canadian degrees DO NOT leave Canada like they report. Otherwise I´m also tired with your philosophical logic rather than being rational. Be positive..no gurantee..Very true. Still there is difference, I can´t expect same probabbility of success while trying my luck in countries like USA/Canada vs Somalia.
First of all, the reports clearly told that most talented CANADIAN BORN graduates leave Canada. NOT particularly immigrants. So your idea about using Canada as a step stone..doesn´t hold water here. I agree that is so, many people use to do that. My question is again, WHY? If Canada is so much of potential why don´t they utilize such potentials rather than jumping out of this step stone?
Today I didn´t emphasized what happened to me. I DIDN´T TELL TODAY WHY I LEFT CANADA. All I presented extracts from various reliable source, and still you are in your own soap box; trying to prove that as I was not successful...I´m trying to prove Canada is bad.
I´m not that mean. Please be concentrate on universal point rather than being personal.
[12-11-2007,20:17]
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Departed_Canadian |
(in reply to: do the math DC)
I totally want to be universal in my comments. I wish you would stop making your own observations universal and stop only listing articles that support your opinion while leaving anything that does not suite your arguement out of the discussion.
this frustration goes 2 ways.
[12-11-2007,20:32]
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Sharon |
(in reply to: do the math DC)
I don´t pretend to be open & dual. I try to establish what I believe and I find.
I posted several stats, reports in my support.
You are most welcome to establish your statements rather than creating personal attack. Ofcourse apart of 30 years lowest unemployment...higher loonie like logic.
Show me those ones I presented are false.
Justify why ON minister Micheal Cole Told, "SW is nothing but inviting someone for dinner and then let him to wash dish".
Sky is the limit.
[12-11-2007,20:42]
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Departed_Canadian |
(in reply to: do the math DC)
http://www.thecanadianimmigrant.com/
[12-11-2007,20:45]
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Sharon |
(in reply to: do the math DC)
Simply website quoting doesn´t mean a whole lot.
There are many sites which shows exactly the opposite.
I don´t mind anything positve.
I never jumped on anybody if he claims he is happy/succesful in Canada. I´m not sick to prove that he is telling lie or making success stories.
This is the difference.
So, have a good night.
[12-11-2007,22:19]
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Departed_Canadian |
(in reply to: do the math DC)
DC, you jump at every opportunity to paint the picture black. I submit you are no more objective than I am.
Simple newspaper reports don´t mean a whole lot. One thing I have learned is that the integrity of the news is highly suspicious. They want you to watch or read or have a reaction. My own experience has taught me to ask what parts they left out rather than what parts they told.
[12-11-2007,22:27]
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Sharon |
(in reply to: do the math DC)
I don´t simply buy what ever reported in the news paper.
News paper reportings have to be corroborated by real life experiebes. Once I did the blunder of my life by believing only newspaper stories...how rosy Canada is.
Anyway, when several sources point at the same direction with many personal experiences then have to accept something. Apart just newspaper reporting there are several well conducted studies avaliable. Vancouver Sun Toronto Star like dailys don´t publish some garbage.
I may be "Anti-Canadian". How about Richard, the great Canada lover? Why he is even so cynical about Canada job market? There are several Richards around here, even the original posting today was started by another one, not me.
How about the minister´s so cynical statements about skilled worker immigration? All conspirators or non-born 2nd Class Anti citizen like me?
How blind some people can be.
I never put any other black in Canada other than job issues. If asked why I prefer US over Canada I would say my reasons. BUT, it is the very me here who concurs always that Canada is still one of the best place in the world to live. I always insist people to not to buy the less US tax gossip, it is eventually the same. With Richard I concured several times that US healthcare is nothing but slaughtering people, Canadian one is better. Unless asked specifically I don´t want to discourage anybody from coming Canada. Just see yesterday I tried to help/insist a guy to immigrate into Canada while he originally was looking for just a visit visa.
So, think something rational.
[12-11-2007,23:14]
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Departed_Canadian |
(in reply to: do the math DC)
DC, I am sure you feel like you are ´saving´ people from the horrible delusion of Canada but really, should you not focus your energy on your new challenge - making it work in the US. You can´t look forward if your continuously look back.
Nobody´s disputing that things apparently did not go well for you. I cannot argue or dispute that reality.
Now, it is time to get on with your future. Every CIC applicant is a grown up. They are intelligent enough to get 67 points - therefore they should be intelligent enough to know a full range of pros and cons to immigration.
The broken record syndrome is not adding any credibility to your experience. May I submit it is having the opposite effect.
[13-11-2007,00:30]
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Sharon |
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