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Being old enough to remember speaking with Vietnam war draft dodgers at University and young enough then to try to convince myself and them that killing at a distance was something I could do. This article brings back many memories.

http://www.thestar.com/News/article/277477

I can´t wait for the new In Canada application process and prey that it will also include them when launched in 2008. There are so many well deserving students and workers and others that have been in Canada for years that should be allowed to apply form within Canada. Too many get called for a interview in Buffalo and are not allowed access to the states to attend their CIC interview. I hope these two guys and their families are included in this new program.

Someone should of already submitted an H&C application on their behalf simultanious to their refugee claim. If so then when they get called for their Pre Removal Risk Assessment PRRA they will look at both the same time.

I wish them lots of better luck.

Roy
www.cvimmigration.com


[18-11-2007,08:47]
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Roy
(in reply to: Toronto Star Article)
Agree that these resisters should be allowed to apply to legally stay in Canada under humanitarian grounds.

But... you say you were convincing Vietnam war resisters that "killing at a distance was something you could do". Sounds gung-ho. Yet you´d like to include resisters under the new 2008 application process.

Not understanding this apparent contradiction. Unless I´ve misunderstood or there´s a typo.

[18-11-2007,12:50]
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Richard
(in reply to: Toronto Star Article)
Richard, I think Roy is suggesting (and I can relate) that age has a way of putting things in perspective. I believe Roy and I both grew up with Vietnam as part of our daily conversation. The idea of draft dodgers or conscientious objectors was not something we could profoundly identify with... simply because we were not mature enough to fully understand the ´big picture´.

Being older and wiser now... the idea of ´killing at a distance´ is a foolish notion. I think both of us would welcome some changes to the laws/rules that would make things a little easier for those who find themselves morally opposed to such a war

[18-11-2007,16:27]
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Sharon
(in reply to: Toronto Star Article)
Hey I was young and inhaled.

Roy

[18-11-2007,16:27]
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Roy
(in reply to: Toronto Star Article)
Got it guys, thanks, now I understand. Hey, I was a young Republican in college. Looks like we all had our moments with lots of maturing since then.
[18-11-2007,16:39]
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Richard
Toronto Star Article (in reply to: Toronto Star Article)
hmmm...tough call. I say sure let them into Canada as long as they agree that after being trained they will take the place of a Canadian soldier fighting the Taliban. For that, thier families will also be allowed into Canada. Canada has excepted to many American cowards that don´t understand the price for freedom is blood.
[18-11-2007,17:14]
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Proud Canadian
(in reply to: Toronto Star Article)
I agree with Bloc Qu?b?cois Leader Gilles Duceppe that Canada has no business fighting in Afghanistan. But that´s a different war.

Tough sounding cowboy talk like "price of freedom is blood" and "bring ´em on" is straight out of George Bush´s neoconservative playbook. Most of these macho-sounding people never served a day in the military, never saw the grotesque injuries and deaths of war.

Wanna fight PC? Be my guest and sign-up in the fight for blood for oil.

[18-11-2007,18:46]
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Richard
(in reply to: Toronto Star Article)
You are right, it is a different war and I rely on the soldiers who are there to tell me if we are making a difference. If they are putting their life on the line and say Canada needs to be there, I would tend to support that decision rather than listen to the Bloc who are vote hunting.

What ever happened to Conscientous Objector status where those people served the military in other ways such as ambulance attendants or supply staff etc.

[18-11-2007,19:53]
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Sharon
(in reply to: Toronto Star Article)
Yes, good point. CO status is apparently being denied to US military personnel regarding Iraq. The manpower situation there is so desperate. Even the US diplomatic corps is being forced (unprecedented) to serve there at their objection.

Per prior post, I didn´t realize there was such a thing as Bush military interventionist types living in Canada.

[18-11-2007,19:59]
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Richard
(in reply to: Toronto Star Article)
Canada is home to all sorts of people - that´s what keeps it interesting! Isn´t it wonderful that we can all live side by side with our various opinions and still live peaceably.

I am sure if we all sat down over a pint or two we could find enough common ground to be friends.


[18-11-2007,21:30]
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Sharon
(in reply to: Toronto Star Article)
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[20-11-2007,14:37]
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