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I am actually happy with the way things are going on in this forum, and just because someone gets mad at me, does not mean I have to change my opinions, and frankly I do not see any war here, its a creation of an idle mind. Sharon, if this forum gives good job advice to the immigrants here, I don´t see any issues. But I see things like "Economy is the best in past 30 years" or "Least unemployment rate ever" etc.... and those are misleading stats, and they need to come with disclaimers which no one here is ready to discuss, and when I do try to discuss it, you and your coterie of IP addresses think its just a disgruntled opinion, as I have always told you in the face, I respect what you have to say and its better to let things stay that way.
Hmmm... another attempt to make you see the light of the day.... You should know McDonalds is a big fast food chain. Recently a lot of people in the US started to blame McDonalds and other fast food chains that it was making america fat. Ok, do you think that is right ? I would say absolutely no.... its a choice for you to make as a consumer, so why not ? Now after the semi legal battle McDonald stores need to display the nutrition information for the fast food items that they sell in the store. Now people who used to just have a 1500 calorie meal (super sized) for lunch are made wary of it, and that makes the big difference. People have more information besides the fact that the meal is real tasty and is cheap. Will this prevent the guy who used to eat at Mcdonalds because lunch cost him just 2.99 ? No, and thats his choice, but maybe it will help some others make an informed decision.... do you think the folks at McDonalds are happy about it ? Take a guess.... and similarly I am not going to ignore the fact that you and your friends are unhappy about all new information available to the immigrants.
As Richard mentioned in one of his posts, someone is surely going to appreciate these posts one day, thanks to you guys who provide the counter arguments.
[25-11-2007,01:44]
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(in reply to: How can McDonalds help dear Sharon)
all true but does McDonalds take kindly to McDonalds bashing on their website?
no, so detractors do it somewhere else.
[25-11-2007,03:29]
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Sharon |
(in reply to: How can McDonalds help dear Sharon)
Sharon and Raj
When your the best destination there is always someone who will constantly try to prove your wrong. Raj watch SICKO and ask yourself do you have $12,000.00 to re-attach your ring finger or $60,000.00 for your longest finger.
I´m a diabetic on Insulin and have purchased Insulin in several countries always without a prescription. Only in the USA am I forced to pay approximately 35% more then in every other country.
The issue should be QUALITY of life.
So you got a fat paycheck, better chances for advancement or more companies you can transfer to. That is super but don´t get sick.
What most consider important is quality of life. You can have money but if your unlucky to get sick I would rather have my family in Canada then in the States if I was a new Immigant.
Now you can go on for another five months on what you and others consider Quality of Life. Have fun, LOL
Roy
www.cvimmigration.com
[25-11-2007,09:39]
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Roy |
(in reply to: How can McDonalds help dear Sharon)
Roy,
What you have said is correct and no one would debate on it. We all know how capitalistic US healthcare system is. This is the different, Raj or I never would start defending US system and try to prove it is better than Canadian one. Can´t we do that? Yes, I can do that. I can show how many examples of how some Canadians go to the US to treat quickly rather than waiting in the long queue.
One thing I need to correct you though. There is a common misimpression that in US; no money, no treatment. This is wrong. US also has free healthcare for the low income class. I have to say, their coverage is even better than Canada with eye and dental also. Few of my new immigrants relatives/freinds got dental surgery, eye glass everything without spending a cent.
You are absolutely correct, quality of life is the main thing, for that most of the immigrants are motivated.
Healthcare is a very important part of quality indeicator. Though certainly no above the job issue. A qualified professional would always feel attracted for a good job in his feild, not to the free healthcare system.
There is no debate on this. If have doubt, then have to come up with good explanation about the inter migration between US/Canada. Above 2 million Canadians prefered US below quality life. Isn´t it? Why? Most of them are highly qualified professionals. Job secuity is the main indicator for the quality of life for them.
[25-11-2007,11:16]
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Departed_Canadian |
(in reply to: How can McDonalds help dear Sharon)
Sharon,
This website is not www.pro-canada-thoughts-only.com right ? or is it ? Are you proclaiming that this is your website and asking me to leave ?
I kinda had the same impression about the fairness of your debates, thanks for putting it in words, that was a great help. And now we know !!
This is very immature and childish, if you can´t win with brains, you have to use guns right ? Sigh !!
Oh and Roy.... never mind !
[25-11-2007,11:36]
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Raj |
(in reply to: How can McDonalds help dear Sharon)
Umm Raj..
Some of our freinds or "Senior Members" clearly indicated their mentality on this issue here in the past many times.
That is you have to be positive; meaning only have to say the positives. Forgeting/sharing all the nagatives. True statements you would say? Doesn´t matter. BE POSITIVE. Curtail anything negative. Oh yes, for being positive you can be negative about others, specially your greatest southern freinds. That is OK as much as you wish and surely appreciable.
[25-11-2007,11:46]
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Departed_Canadian |
(in reply to: How can McDonalds help dear Sharon)
Raj and DC
The issue is being negative attracts negativity. Yes certain things are better in other places but the whole package for the persons PERSONAL circumstances has to be assessed. If it is not for you then DEPART.
It just gets a little too much and some individuals including myself feel a need to come to Canada´s defence. Canada or being Canadian is a work in progress. It and we Canadian´s here all know that. We are taking a people and a country to knew and un-explored heights. We are taking all of our new immigrants and trying to find any good thing in the place they are from to make us and Canada better.
If you two have a sister and someone was saying bad things about your sister even if you were argueing with your sister you would rush to her defence, would you not?
Being human we all remember the good times and block out the bad memories. Too many former citizens from other countries go back and say "YOU CAN´T FIND GOOD SAUSAGE ANYMORE" yet it is made exactly the same way it has been made for the last two hundred years with the same recipe.
I have a friend who focuses only on the negative everyday in her business and wonders why no new clients believe in her ability to win their case. Being negative to improve something is okay but being part of the problem is no solution. It is better to look for a solution then being part of the problem do you not think so??????
Immigrating has to be based on that persons PERSONAL circumstances not yours or mine.
Positive Roy
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[25-11-2007,12:41]
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Roy |
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DC,
Its true, I wonder why do I capitulate time after time into these fruitless discussions. These guys have no reality checks, all their knowledge is bookish and googlish. The bottom line is that real life experiences are the truest, maybe what you and I write here may be in the minority, but its still closer to reality than someones opinion who does not have any inkling about the issues at hand of the real skilled immigrants. I think they live in their own world.... in the book shelves of the library.... utopia.
[25-11-2007,12:49]
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Raj |
(in reply to: How can McDonalds help dear Sharon)
Roy,
If someone wants to marry my sister and I know very well that my sister is manipulative, good for nothing other than milking her husband then I wouldn´t hide that to that prospective husband by picturing how beautiful she is, how good she is in art, ...how freindly she is.... I would never refrain anyone saying the truth about my sister. Yes, I can defend her by stating the good sides, but never would try to be blind about the bads, if particularly asked.
I think this hypothetic example brought by you gave little about my philosopy regarding this.
Being an engineer I have to be innovative, hence positive. Very rudimentary basic. BUT, I can´t sell my cleint any unrealistic design of a high rise building on bad soft soil to show that I´m positive and bill a good chunk. I always have to warn my cleint aganist any possible challenge, so that he can prepare for any future consequences. In single word I would clearly say that the soft soil may be suitable for a single fllor store room, not for multi-storied high rise.
So be positive and be realistic, this is the bottom lime.
Raj,
You or I may be minority, but did you observe a funny thing? If you and I are taken grossly as anti Canadian then Sahron, Roy, CBV, Richard are pro. However, in this regard two from our opposition (Richard/CBV) supported us. Richard is always in agreement with us about the poor job situation, and more importantly he supports our way of discussing which is a phenomenal. He clearly know that we don´t speak by force, we go by reality, stat, reports.
You are saying they go by the book shelves..bookish knowledge..I´m not so sure. They don´t feel interested in going in depth to several reports, surverys, stats..which frustrates me the most.
Richard doesn´t like US system, their foreign policy, criticize them harshly; but can anybody with sense should portray him as Anti-Amercian or America basher? No way. Whatever he says are truth. Anti or Pro is immaterial.
In any society, some people who claim themselves as very open sometimes don´t know what they really are. I thought thatt they are found only in the eastern countries, now I see they have no limits.
[25-11-2007,13:21]
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Departed_Canadian |
(in reply to: How can McDonalds help dear Sharon)
and how would your sister feel and act after you ´exposed´ and exagerated all her faults (from your perspective)
[25-11-2007,15:28]
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Sharon |
(in reply to: How can McDonalds help dear Sharon)
Have to agree with DC here. Although us pro-supporters (Sharon, Roy, CBV, wannabe, me, others) do want to show the true light, it´s still a civilized debate. From my perspective, although DC and Raj are on the other side, they
make compelling and interesting points, and bring up issues intelligently that us pro-types often unconsciously avoid and need to be addressed.
I think Roy brought up an excellent example from the movie "Sicko". The American health care system is truly broken. To DC´s point that a qualified professional is always attracted to a good job and not free health care. I would ask how that professional´s priorities in America would change if he loses his job, and he or his kids have pre-existing medical conditions?
The no. 1 cause of bankruptcy is the U.S. is unable to pay uninsured medical bills. It´s one thing to say great, I have
a good job, but another when your employer eventually says bye-bye. And the "free" health care for the poor in the U.S. is really, really bad, and lately not so free. Dirty hospitals and clinics in bad neighborhoods, all-day waits, and very low level attention and care. 3rd tier level. Unlike Canada, where everyone´s on the same tier and equal playing field, with good quality.
Finally Raj´s point about McDonalds. You say it´s the consumer´s choice to eat at McDonalds and therefore get fat.
The CDC and other respected medical groups have shown that when your surrounded and bombarded with advertisements since childhood to eat fast food, Disney characters urging kids, TV kids shows filled with it, it´s very difficult to avoid. Good book on this is "Fast Food Nation". At some point, the government must step-in to have ingredients listed and outlaw transfats. Obesity is not just about individual choice but also social behavior and societal responsibility.
[25-11-2007,15:40]
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