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When people make mistakes by paying a crimminal posing as someone knowledgeable with Immigration knowledge they need compassion. They do not need to be told that they are an idiot or could of done it themselves they need someone to inform them how not to get fooled again.
This CIFA has a slick web site and implies that they will pay your application fees and you could be a winner. ME A WINNER!!!! Hooked now all they have to do is land the fish.
Doing the application yourself and being successful is not a solution for all. CIC claims on their web site that you do not need a Consultant or Lawyer. Lets say you tried to sponsor your spouse and believed that you did not need a Representative but your application was refused then CIC tells you again that you do not need a representative to appeal the mess you submitted. In certain situations the price of a quality representative is well worth it. Some applicants have common sense and others do not. Many persons who answer questions here can provide samples.
The problem is finding a quality representative.
Some representatives are Jacks of all trades and masters of none. Just because they are a member of CSIC or a Law Society (Lawyer) does not mean they are experienced in your situation.
Doing sufficent research to ascertain were their experience lies is worth all the time spent.
So you can complain to this or that organization----so what! So a Lawyer can appeal to the Federal court-----so what if he lost your case in the first place why would you retain the same person again to appeal?
CSIC has been in existance for some time with few actual discipline hearings have taken place or have any taken place? Has any consultant been suspended for anything other then not paying their dues? What about the Law Societies web sites can you find one Lawyer that was disciplined for an Immigration case issue?
Then the government claims anyone can charge a fee for Immigration advice as long as they do not intend to represent their client at time of submission or post submission. Inland Processing Manuals IP9 section 2 last paragraph. All any con person has to do is check the e-cas status of file.
No wonder the original poster got taken.
Like others have said before time and again if it looks too good RUN!
If one is applying as a Federal Skilled Worker they can assess their own qualifications to see if they have sufficent points but that detail is not clearly shown on the CIC web site. Filling in a SAP application should be easy for most but not all. Just try understanding some of the Provincial Nomionee Programs web sites.
If the rules of the Immigration Division were simple I would not be still waiting for them to reply to my inquiries regarding them rendering a decision since September 11th 2007.
To make sure your not scammed RESEARCH then RESEARCH some more then get at least four references from the represntative and ask the references if any of their friends had also been successful with that representative. Ask for references from the references.
DO YOUR HOMEWORK THROUGHLY.
Roy
www.cvimmigration.com
[30-12-2007,12:25]
[**.52.219.48]
Roy |
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(in reply to: CIFA Part 2)
Agree, BTW happy new year 2008.
Cheers
Bill
[30-12-2007,15:08]
[**.65.0.48]
Bill |
(in reply to: CIFA Part 2)
I?m afraid I cannot agree with you Roy when saying that ?people need compassion when making mistake. They do not need to be told that they are an idiot?.
I don?t think in our replies there is someone who wants to say that ?? is an Idiot?.
Sorry Zaheer if in my replies there is any thing that could be understood differently than what I want to say. I don?t think when imploring people to over protect themselves, is insulting them.
I strongly believe that people, who post their issues, are waiting for someone to provide them information that could help to solve their issues. The compassion is always good but not enough.
I think it is my duties as Canadian to provide the necessary information that protects people and helps them to resolve their issues.
Also, I cannot refer any of the members to immigration consultants or lawyers because I believe it is faster and much easier to apply for immigration through CIC (Canadian Government) then applying through consultant or lawyer.
It is hard for someone who doesn?t leave in Canada to check if that consultant or lawyer is the reliable one.
It doesn?t matter for me if the CIFA is a lottery organisation or immigration consultant. The point here, the Zaheer applied for immigration through CIFA, paid fees at the end he was not able to login to update his profile, means here, he even doesn?t have a chance to participate to this lottery. Than, I believe those people are trying to make money on the back of people who want to escape from the war, or want to improve their lives.
Zaheer, please find below a list of organisation where you could file a complaint online(they may accept you complaint)
http://www.gov.on.ca/mgs/en/General/STEL02_047599.html,
http://www.ccbbb.ca
http://www.consumer.ca/1653.
http://www.csic-scci.ca/
Also here is where you can apply for immigration Canada
www.cic.gc.ca
Hope it helps,
Regards,
[30-12-2007,19:00]
[***.129.36.231]
Fishing fither(Ex needs help or can help) |
(in reply to: CIFA Part 2)
ALL immigration applications go through CIC. (Citizenship and Immigration Canada)- there is no other way. Whether you use a consultant or do the application yourself, the forms are the same, the questions are the same and the wait is the same UNLESS you mess up and CIC needs various clarifications, new documents or you entirely mess up and you want to beg CIC to reconsider.
As Roy has mentioned, there are times when assistance with that application is helpful... especially when the applicant is iffy about point qualifications, or has a prior criminal conviction or problems with medical issues etc. Family class sponsorship can bring an entirely new range of challenges - it is not just a matter of marrying someone and submitting the forms.
Yes, everyone can do the forms themselves, but we see time after time instances where what seemed straightforward and logical was not handled in that manner.
All that said, Roy has set out some very good advice about getting assistance should you need it.
As for our friend with CIFA... my assumption is that the fee is gone. My bigger question is whether any immigration application was ever sent to CIC. If our friend was not the winner, is he is back at zero - no application, no fees paid etc.?
Instead of taking the time to complain,(the organization is already under investigation and the chances of a refund are zero) it would be better to focus on determining whether they qualify for immigration, getting the forms filled out and the fees paid so they can get in line for what will likely be a long wait.
[30-12-2007,20:58]
[***.121.220.199]
Sharon |
(in reply to: CIFA Part 2)
File complaint to 4 organisations online will take of each one less than 15mn. Even if it takes 24h to file all complaints, I believe it worth?s it and it is not waste of time, because we will avoid such thing will happened to others in future.
It is always good to think for our selves but it is much better when we also think for the others.
I can agree with you, Sharon, when you say ?ALL immigration applications go through CIC. (Citizenship and Immigration Canada)?, till here it is all right.
If I was in foreign country and I would like to apply to immigrate to Canada, I would think that is time consuming if I contact consultant or lawyer, explaining my whole situation and providing to him or her all my information, at the end waiting for him or her to fill out the form for me and send it. Of course this consultant or lawyer has more than one application; also I don?t know how long I?ll wait for that consultant or lawyer to fill out my application because he received couple of applications before mine.
Also, consultant or lawyer doesn?t guarantee the acceptance of the application and I don?t know how much it will cost for that. Then I would think, it could be better for me to fill out the form online and my self.
I can agree with you when you say that there are a different ways(position and negative attitude) to say for example? my son has Pulmonary? and this applicant needs couple of advises prior to meet the CIC Officer and he can get those kind of advises thought this forum. I would use the option of contact a consultant in case his application is rejected, not at this point.
For the member who applied through CIFA, I don?t believe I need to refer him to consultant or lawyer at this point, particularly if, he had never applied directly through CIC.
Regards,
[31-12-2007,01:04]
[***.131.99.58]
fisher hunter(Ex needs help or can help) |
(in reply to: CIFA Part 2)
Fisher Hunter
Complaints Work LOL LOL LOL!
Did you check the various sites of regulators?????
IF LIFE WORKED LIKE THAT (FISHER HUNTER) YOU WOULD CATCH THE BIGGEST FISH OR GET THAT TROPHY GAME EVERYTIME.
I believe strongly that applicants should protect themselves but the regulators can not do that! The applicant has to protect themselves. How many would hire a home renovation company without seeking out several references before putting a bundle of their hard earned cash down?
I WAS NOT ONLY REFERRING TO OVERSEAS FSW APPLICATIONS I WAS REFERRING TO ALL APPLICATIONS. Why would it be faster trying to ascertain all that is required in an case then hiring an experienced representive. Fisher Hunter that has to be illogical thinking especially if any of the persons personal circumstances were the least bit unusual.
WHAT IS UNSUSUAL FISHER HUNTER WERE ARE ALL THE PROVICIAL LAW SOCITIES WEB ADDRESSES? R U a Lawyer out fishing?
Does one Lawyer Regulatory Body have an ICON or link on their home page regarding their Societies complaint process????? NOPE!!!!
So if a Lawyer in Ontario makes a mistake by not including some documents in your application (THE ERROR) is called professional negligence and a matter for the courts to determine.
Like Sharon said and I said the processing times are the same unless you MESS UP. This forum is a tesstemant to mess ups. The same questions over and over again then another like Zaheer comes along every two months.
WHETHER CIFA IS UNDER INVESTIGATION OR NOT THE ISSUE IS THAT COMPANIES AND INDIVIDULS LIKE THIS CAN CHARGE A FEE FOR IMMIGRATION ADVICE IF THEY HAVE NO INTENTION OF REPRESENTING THE CLIENT AT TIME OF SUBMISSION OR POST SUBMISSION BEFORE AN OFFICER OR MEMBER OF THE IRB. Do I have to copy and paste the IP9 manual?
Why sould Zaheer file a complaint to CSIC or a Law Society regarding CIFA they are not members and therefore not regulated? They can discipline non-members.
EVERY AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE HAS A FREE ONLINE ASSESSMENT FORM ON THEIR WEB SITE AND CAN BE ASSESSED BY A PROFESSIONAL FOR FREE. GOOGLE IMMIGRATION ADVICE CANADA AND THOUSANDS POP UP AND IF THEY CLAIM THEY ARE A MEMBER CHECK OUT THEIR STATUS OF THEIR REGULATORY BODY WEB SITE. IT IS NOT DIFFICULT LIKE CATCHING A FISH!
How about a simple marriage application, he loves her, she loves him, their both educated. Do the forms yourself then she writes a story that he loves to vacuum and he says she walks on water but yet she is from Pakistan and him from India real close to a disputed border area and ones parents do not even know their child is married. SIMPLE.
We have a commercial IF LIFE WAS LIKE THAT WE WOULDN"T NEED VISA.
OnLine Dictionary Definition
IDIOT-private person, layman, person lacking skill or expertise,
His/her money is gone and no one is going to get that back again. Even doing the forms oneself is not simple because finding where to calculate your skilled worker points is difficult. Understanding how certain information is going to be viewed is not simple. Try finding the Immigration manuals the first or twelth time visiting the www.cic.gc.ca site.
Not always but in some circumstances hiring an EXPERIENCED representative who is knowledgable in your area of concern is very valuable. This is not an advertisement it is a fact.
The WWW is a terrific resource for research, time spent researching if you need a representative or finding the best representative for your PERSONAL circumstances is invaluable.
Roy
www.cvimmigration.com
[31-12-2007,11:45]
[**.55.218.45]
Roy |
(in reply to: CIFA Part 2)
Ah ah ah ah :) I?m really happy Roy because you find my opinion a ??.illogical thinking ?.?.
I would be surprise, if you think the opposite. Why? Because, in one hand, my way of thinking is like the ones who are willing to help, even if I?m not specialist in immigration issues. In another hand, I believe, you think like an immigration consultant who believes that I?m posting my opinions to only disagree with him and I?m spending my time fishing fishers.
We are in a democratic country, no need to overreact because some of us have a different point of view.
Ok, I?ll change my name, only to please you ?peace keeper? I hope you?d like it.
Roy, I would like to ask you for a favour. Please when analysing any of the situations, try to do it from all the angles.
I?m going for New Year vacation, talk to you next year Roy and Happy New Year.
Regards
[31-12-2007,13:59]
[***.103.184.76]
Peace Keeper(EX: fisher fighter) |
(in reply to: CIFA Part 2)
Peace Keeper or........
I did assess the problem from all angles.
CIFA is not a member of any regulatory body so how would a regulatory body that you yourself are not a member of discipline you? Do you really think that they are a member of the Better Business Bureau? They appear to be someone that does not use a gun to rob people.
Try reading this Peace Keeper
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/ip/ip09e.pdf Then understand the PROGRAM OBJECTIVES
The government interprets the Law the following way. Last paragraph.
It is important to understand that CIC, the IRB and the CBSA are interpreting the Regulations to mean that R13.1(1) does not apply to any representations that are made to a client before an application is submitted to CIC. In other words, an applicant is obliged to disclose the name of their representative (authorized or unpaid) on the Use of a Representative (IMM 5476) form only if the individual will
represent them once the application is submitted to CIC (i.e., either at the time of submission or postsubmission).
SO IF YOUR APPLYING AS A,
SKILLED WORKER APPLICATION,
PNP APPLICATION,
SPOUSAL SPONSORSHIP of any kind,
PARENTAL SPONSORSHIP,
H&C APPLICATION,
PRRA APPLICATION,
ETC.
ANYONE CAN CHARGE A FEE!
Did you know that Peace Keeper?
So almost all applications can be done by non-Lawyers or non-CSIC members. The issues with Consultants has only been given window dressing. The government knows that there is far too much money to be made from Immigrants to allow CSIC to create regulations that would prevent companies in other countries from seeking out potential immigrants.
I do appeals lots of them and I see lots of people like Zaheer who got bad advice. I do my best to correct the wrongs and I have to do everything within the Law to best serve my clients.
I treat every client if they are my only client. I wish we lived in a better world but I put my faith in the Law and my knowledge not regulatory bodies nor the Police to solve the problem.
Roy
www.cvimmigration.com
[31-12-2007,17:20]
[**.158.52.214]
Roy |
appeal process (in reply to: CIFA Part 2)
I would like some feedback regarding appealing the decision of a government immigration worker in the canadian (beijing) embassy that denied my wifes application to come to canada for reasons he stated he did not believe our relationship was genuine because her english was too poor and she did not know things about my previous marriage:
walter
[08-02-2009,03:19]
[**.69.188.132]
walter |
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