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I watched some of those panel discussions last night. The intensity and hysteria is quite interesting.
The reason Canada would want to discuss oil is the following - we made a deal with the US that Canada would never refuse to supply or curtail and oil request from the US... even if it meant Canada goes without.
That deal may have been one everyone could swallow 15 years ago, but the mood is a little different these days and Canada would want a little more control over its own resourses.
The commentary that include the threats etc are simply embellishment. We are simply not getting that sort of media here in Canada. There have been lots of times Canada has wanted to cancel the deal too. We have been fighting over softwood lumber for years. 3 rounds in the World court where we won and we still can´t get the billions of dollars in illegal duties back that the US imposed on our product to satisfy the protectionist lobby.
NAFTA is a 3 way deal. I must admit I was a little shocked to hear both Obama and Hillary be so flip about it. It took years to negotiate the deal and not everyone was happy with the outcome but to play the lone ranger role and assume there can be agreements that only favour one country is a little arrogant.
Intellectual labour is a teeny tiny piece of this. Commodities and manufacturing are the biggies.
I shall be watching the tube with great interest on Tuesday. (don´t mess it up!!!!)
[03-03-2008,15:19]
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Sharon |
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What odds do I get if I pick Hillary to win Ohio & Texas?
Roy
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[03-03-2008,15:50]
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Roy |
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she can have Ohio and Obama will get Texas. I will bet you the first round at the River Rock.
Bill has to come too!
[03-03-2008,15:56]
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Sharon |
(in reply to: Elections #2)
YOUR ON!
LOL LOL
Roy
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[03-03-2008,16:24]
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Roy |
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In my part of Ohio today it´s all Obama, everywhere I look, everyone I talk with. Every other yard in my neighborhood has an Obama sign in front (I´ve only seen two for Hillary) and there´s a constant crowd of supporters on the corner down the street holding Obama signs and receiving lots of honks in appreciation. But, my city is quite different than the other major cities of this state, so it´s hard to say what the general mood is north or south of here. For every article that says Hillary has the lead, another says Obama is the sure winner. Here we are pretty insulated from the problems that plague the rest of the state, though I fail to see how she would be better suited to end their woes than Obama would be. She´s just more of the "same ol´, same ol´", and I think a lot of people understand that (then again, a lot of people apparently find comfort in that too).
For my entire voting life, we have had only two ruling families. I look around this country and see where we are and where we could be. I don´t think for a minute that the Clinton machine will give up easily (or cleanly), but in my opinion, it´s high time for a change. Can´t wait to vote tomorrow.
[03-03-2008,17:42]
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wannabecanadian |
(in reply to: Elections #2)
something that I find amusing is how our Conservative government is viewed as right wing - just like the republicans. If they only knew!!! Obama would fit perfectly into our Canadian mindset as a Conservative or a Liberal. You don´t have anyone that we would consider a New Democratic candidate. And then we have the Green party that falls off the entire platform it is so far left!
As you probably have figured out by now, our entire political spectrum is left of the Republican party! It would be considered scandalous to talk about the black vote or the latino vote or the catholic vote or the evangelical vote. It would never happen. If there is any hint of religion being part of a platform, everyone starts running for the hills.
I will be anxious to hear further Ohio reports. I have a round of beer due to me from Roy.
[03-03-2008,18:08]
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Sharon |
(in reply to: Elections #2)
I envy you wannabe for being able to cast such an important vote.
While our Canadian friends are flipping money about on this like at a casino, we down here understand the huge impact this´ll have not only on this country, but on neighbors to the north and south, as well as the rest of the world.
I too am sick of these dualing dynasties. I wonder what all this experience is that Hillary supposedly brings? Being first lady? And then that "expereince" led her to vote for the war. I´ll take Obama´s common sense and fresh approach to the world.
Will be glued to results as they come in tomorrow night.
[03-03-2008,18:09]
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Richard |
(in reply to: Elections #2)
my apologies if our friendly wager came across as flippant. As Canadians we are so used to being arm chair commentators on something that literally overwhelms our airwaves for months on end but we obviously don´t have the same vested interest in the outcome. I was also attempting to chill Roy out just a little :)
[03-03-2008,18:36]
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Sharon |
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No, no you guys are fine. We may be a bit serious about this. I guess we´ve just endured too many years of bad government here.
Point taken on relativity of political parties. Your Conservative Party would probably not be considered "rightwing" here, although what bothers many on the progressive side here is the warm and cozy relation with the current regime.
[03-03-2008,18:57]
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Richard |
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Sharon: Your more liberal government is certainly a draw for at least most of us Americans wanting to move north. I may not not have a nice opinion of Harper and his policies, but I do realize he isn´t as dangerous as what we have down here at the moment (if only because he can´t be thanks to your political system). That Canada mostly leaves religion/race/gender out of politics is not only refreshing, but essential. You have no idea how important those issues still are down here (sad to say).
Richard: I completely agree with your argument against Hillary´s "experience" and wonder how people see through it so easily. I think Obama has done an excellent job of pointing out that being first lady doesn´t count (though, admittedly, it is a unique view of what goes on), and that it is the JUDGMENT used by those in charge that really matter. Anyone against the war should be pro-Obama; you just can´t gloss over that gross lack of judgment (one might say "flip-flopping" or pandering, but I´ll be nice).
[03-03-2008,19:04]
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wannabecanadian |
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the one thing I appreciate about Obama is his recognition that the current policy and war on Iraq has hung the Canadians out to dry in Afghanistan. We were asked to help out and then the US went on to other things leaving us there to hold the fort by ourselves (or so it feels that way). We are losing and we have kids dying. Either we get some help or Canada needs to get out.
I don´t think anyone sees the wisdom of walking away but the price being paid cannot continue. For this reason, any awareness and refocus torwards Afghanistan would be welcome.
[03-03-2008,19:20]
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Sharon |
