looks like we might be getting new rules

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Subject: looks like we might be getting new rules
  I will say first off- I am reading just like everyone else so I can only decipher what I am reading on the CIC website and know not much more than you might. Try not to speculate and try not to get caught up in the very poor new reporting on this matter. Roy and I will do our very best to tell you as much as we know as soon as we know it.

NOTE
These new rules have not been passed into law as yet

These new rules do not appear to change the point system or those who have applied prior to Feb 27, 2008

The big change... and for some this will be great news, for others not so great... but again, the devil is in the details and we don´t really know yet.

What the proposed changes would suggest is that the current system of first in, first processed applications will end. Not sure how they will do this but they are going to process applications based on skill shortages. So, if you are the brick layer or some other skill that we are in short supply of and you applied in 2007 you may be issued a PR before someone with a non shortage skill that applied sooner.

These changes may help prevent new immigrants coming and not being able to find suitable employment. This may also help get people here quickly that have the specific skills that Canada needs without going through the PNP or job offer process.

The information I am give you is less than 6 hours old so it is still full of holes.

this is the exact wording from CIC in a Q&A format -

Q1. What is the backlog? Why is it a problem?

A backlog is created when the number of applications received is greater than the number we can process or admit every year. As of December 2007, there were over 900,000 people waiting for a decision on their application.

Applicants in the federal skilled worker category (over 600,000) make up the bulk of the backlog.

This leads to long wait times that prevent the system from responding quickly to the changing needs of our economy.

It is not fair for prospective immigrants to wait for years before being considered, and it is not desirable to wait that long for the immigrants the country needs.

Skilled workers are currently waiting up to six years to come to Canada, compared to 6 to 12 months in Australia and New Zealand, two of our key competitors for global talent.

Q2. How did the backlog happen?

There are several factors.

First, the current legislation requires CIC to process every single application, regardless of how many apply or how many can be welcomed.

Second, just before the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act (IRPA) was implemented in 2002, there was a flood of applications from people who wanted to get their applications in before the new rules took effect.

In the skilled worker category, the backlog in 2000 was 374,000, growing to 524,000 by the end of 2004, and over 600,000 by the end of 2007.

Q3. What are the proposed legislative changes?

The new rules would allow us to focus on getting the people we need.

Anyone will still be able to apply, but CIC would no longer be required to process all new applications. The new provisions would allow the Department to select among the new applications and choose those that best meet Canada?s labour market needs. Under the current system, which is much less flexible, CIC processes applications from skilled workers in the order in which they are received.

The Department will use this flexibility in an open and transparent manner. It will be based on instructions from the Minister, which will be published in the Canada Gazette and reported in the Department?s annual report to Parliament.

The Department will maintain its commitment to the broad objectives of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act?supporting Canada?s economy and competitiveness, family reunification and protecting those in need. The legislative amendments are intended to respond to Canada?s labour market needs. It will not apply to refugees and is not intended to affect our objectives related to family reunification.

Q4. Is this fair? Doesn´t this give the Minister too much discretion?

The Department will use this flexibility in a fair, open and transparent manner. It will be based on instructions provided by the Minister, which will be published in the Canada Gazette and reported in the Department?s annual report to Parliament. The instructions must be consistent with the overall objectives of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act, which are to support Canada?s economy and competitiveness, reunite families and provide protection to those who need it.

The annual report will also continue to set our immigration plan for the following year, and the number of economic, refugee and family class immigrants we expect to welcome. The amendments will not affect that.

Q5. Isn´t this closing the door to immigration?

Not at all. Canada remains open to immigration, and anyone can apply to immigrate. We have received additional money for processing so that we can meet the growing demand for temporary foreign workers while ensuring that we meet our targets for permanent residents.

There are flexibilities that allow Canada to be more selective ? to take certain candidates quickly, hold some applications, and return others. That shouldn?t deter good candidates from applying. In fact, the current system deters many well-qualified skilled workers from applying because they have to wait so long. The end result of the changes will be reduced wait times and improved service.

Immigration is important in meeting Canada?s labour market needs. In 2007, Canada accepted a record number of permanent and temporary residents.

Q6. Does this mean I can no longer apply?

No, Canada remains open to immigration, and anyone can apply to immigrate. The proposed legislative amendments give the department the flexibility to be more selective ? to take certain candidates quickly, hold some applications, and return others. That shouldn?t deter good candidates from applying, unlike the current system which deters many well-qualified skilled workers from applying because they have to wait so long.

Q7. What happens to someone who has already applied to immigrate to Canada? How will the new amendments affect them?

Those who applied before February 27, 2008, will not be subject to the new proposed provisions in the legislation. These provisions, once passed, will apply to applications received on or after February 27, 2008.

Q8. What happens if people who have already applied want to withdraw their application? Can they get their money back?

As is currently the case, these people can contact their local visa office and withdraw their application, and their fee will be returned.

Q9. What happens to someone who is planning to apply soon? What rules will apply to them? When will they know what they are?

Once passed, the amendments would allow the Minister to give instructions on the processing of new applications received on or after February 27, 2008, at CIC offices around the world.

Q10. What impact will the amendments have on refugees?

None. Our immigration plan will continue to place a high priority on humanitarian objectives, and balance those objectives against our labour market needs. Our annual levels plan will continue to establish clear targets for how many immigrants we intend to accept in each class. The amendments will not affect that.

Q11. What about parents and grandparents and those who have applied for humanitarian and compassionate consideration? There are long wait times for them as well. Will you use the amendments to limit the number of new applications you process in this category?

The amendments are not intended to affect our objectives related to family reunification. Our focus is on skilled workers, where wait times are long and growing, and where we can use the flexibilities the amendments provide to select the skilled workers that we most need in our labour market.

The amendments would also not affect those people in Canada seeking humanitarian and compassionate consideration.

Q12. In addition to the legislative amendments, what other measures are being considered to make the immigration system more efficient?

The 2008 budget provided resources for efficiency improvements to better manage the backlog. Budget resources will be used for this purpose

Q13. You received additional money for processing. How many more people will you process? Will this allow you to increase admissions to address the backlog?

In the past couple of years, Canada accepted a record number of permanent residents, temporary workers and foreign students.

New resources will allow us to better respond to the increasing demands placed on the immigration system, both in the temporary and permanent applicant categories.

Like most countries, Canada limits the number of immigrants it accepts every year. We must carefully balance the number of immigrants we welcome against the opportunities and supports available to help them successfully integrate and settle into Canadian communities and the work force.

Q14. Why are processing times so long?

Canada remains a destination of choice. Unlike most immigrant-receiving countries, Canada does not put restrictions on the number of people who can apply, so each year far more people apply than can be processed and admitted.

Processing all these applications, including conducting proper medical and security checks, does take time.

Temporary visa applications?work permit, study permit and temporary resident visa applications?are processed upon receipt. Processing times may vary depending on medical, criminal and other screening requirements.

Priority is given to certain immigrant classes, and this can mean longer processing times for other categories. For example, our aim is to give priority to processing applications from sponsored spouses and dependent children. Eighty percent of these cases are finalized within eight months. Immigrants selected under the Canada-Quebec Accord or provincial nominee agreements are given priority processing over other economic immigrants, such as federal skilled workers.

In addition, our international commitments require that applications from people in need of protection be processed quickly.

Q15. How fast will the changes you´ve made allow you to reduce the backlog?

The backlog accumulated over many years and it won´t be solved overnight. The amendments and resources in the budget give us the tools to start addressing the backlog.

However, the bill must pass and both financial and human resources must be put in place before work can begin.

Q16. What are skilled workers and why do we need them?

Skilled workers are selected for their ability to contribute to our economy and establish themselves successfully in Canada. They are the most skilled and highly educated immigrants that Canada accepts.

Research shows that the demand for highly qualified workers in Canada is growing.

Within the next decade, immigration is projected to account for all net labour force growth in Canada. Two-thirds of the available jobs will require post-secondary education. Jobs that require a university-level education are the fastest growing types of jobs.

Skilled workers do well in Canada. With their generic skill set, they are better able to weather downturns in the economy. They are also more successful in the labour market than other immigrants, catching up to their Canadian counterparts more quickly and earning the highest average incomes.

Q17. The Minister has to give instructions on how new applications will be processed. How will these be made public?

Instructions, when issued, will be published in the Canada Gazette. As well, CIC will report on these instructions in its annual report tabled in Parliament by November 1 of every year. Instructions will also be posted on the CIC website.



[15-03-2008,00:20]
[**.155.160.37]
Sharon
(in reply to: looks like we might be getting new rules)
The NDP and the Bloc are opposed to this legislation and if the Liberals vote against it the Conservative government will fall and an election will be held.

I can show you that most times when the politicians have tried to improve the Immigration delivery system they have failed miserable.

We can look at this as a negatively or a positively.

Any attempt at improving the current processing times I have to view it as a positive.

Now I have to find a way to further benefit my clients by bending the new rules in their favor just a little more.

Waiting for the morning papers to see more details.

Roy
www.cvimmigration.com

[15-03-2008,07:24]
[**.52.219.174]
Roy
(in reply to: looks like we might be getting new rules)
According to www.cbcnews.ca

The changes would:

* Allow the immigration minister to reject an applicant already deemed admissible by immigration officers.
* Allow the minister to set limits on what types of immigrants ? "by category or otherwise" ? can have their applications processed each year.
* Require an otherwise ineligible person who wants to immigrate on humanitarian grounds to already be in Canada for their application to be processed.


THE FIRST CHANGE WILL TIE UP THE FEDERAL COURTS AND MAKE LAWYERS LOTS OF MONEY. HOW CAN ONE WHO HAS BEEN APPROVED HAVE THEIR APPLICATION CANCELED?

THIS DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE A SOLUTION TO PROCESSING TIMES BUT A CANADA FIRST/EMPLOYER FIRST SOLUTION. WHAT DOES OTHERWISE MEAN? COULD THIS BE BY COUNTRY?

SUBMITTING A HUMANITARIAN AND COMPASSIONATE APPLICATION (OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTRY) TO A VISA POST WHICH LOOKS AT ALL APPLICANTS ON A POINT BASIS WAS ILLOGICAL IN THE FIRST PLACE. THIS WILL ELIMINATE SOME PROCESSING DELAYS.

This Conservative government has many questions to answer regarding this legislation.

Roy
www.cvimmigration.com

[15-03-2008,07:57]
[**.52.219.174]
Roy
(in reply to: looks like we might be getting new rules)
I am wondering if the first items are intended to allow the ministry to change criteria immediately without needing to clear the current wait list...

as it is, we have 4-5 years of backlog and we are faced with processing under old rules for those applicants. We need a way to change things faster than that and I am wondering if this is the tool.

[15-03-2008,14:51]
[**.155.160.37]
Sharon
looks like we might be getting new rules (in reply to: looks like we might be getting new rules)
. I am worried that this may affect family calls negatively. Which is not good my self I am form India but in hope that one day I will reunite with my family have a younger sister in India doing computer engg. (I myself done post graduation form India & in Canada I was doing my nursing for last 4 years so I did not had enough income to sponsor my family now when I was ready to do so there is this new law). Right now I am feeling so stressed out. Looking for more information.
[16-03-2008,02:02]
[**.12.24.65]
harmeet
(in reply to: looks like we might be getting new rules)
they have been fairly clear that this will not affect family class sponsorship applications.


[16-03-2008,02:56]
[**.155.160.37]
Sharon
(in reply to: looks like we might be getting new rules)
The Conservative government (minority government) stuck this new legislation on a budget bill.

Very American political thing to do. Not a very Canadian thing to do.

I do not agree with Sharon that it is clear it will not affect family Class applications. The Minister and her people will be able to set the numbers.

Remember absolute power like this legislation gives the Minister corrupts individuals. Remember this was not really her idea but the people at CIC behind the scenes.

I´m not sold that this legislation will pass. Remember it has to have two more readings. During that time it could be sent to committee it could be revised. If it passes it still has to go to the Senate to be ratified. So this is not a law yet!

If some of the Liberal members vote with the Bloc and the NDP the government will fall, the bill will die and off we go to an election.

This is not a law yet.

When any political party wants to change something they have to sell it to the public and their members. That political party can put their own spin on it.

This legislation is good because of reason A, B, & C!

Then there are people like you Harmeet who says this will affect my family and gives to much authority to one person. That the opposition parties will have little or no say in setting numbers or policy.

Then the other political parties say this legislation does nothing for this or that and it is bad because of reason X, Y, & Z!

Then depending on how many Canadians who already have relatives in the queue as FSW, Spousal Sponsorships, PNP, Family Class Parental type sponsorships etc. contact their members of parliament is how stiff the opposition to this bill becomes.

The Liberals can´t be the official opposition and every time a confidence motion arises in the House of Commons and they vote with the government. Its called credibility!

The media is not done with this story. I´m not done with this story because every time the politicians say anything about Immigration I put my own spin on it to assist my clients.

Hang in their Harmeet all is not lost.

Roy
www.cvimmigration.com

[16-03-2008,07:26]
[**.52.218.72]
Roy
(in reply to: looks like we might be getting new rules)
there is an excellent thread below that discusses some of the issues

http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=521862

[16-03-2008,20:52]
[**.155.160.37]
Sharon
(in reply to: looks like we might be getting new rules)
OTHERWISE DISPOSED OF!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THAT DOES NOT CONSTITUTE A DECISION!!!!!!

I´M NOT IN A TRUSTING MOOD THIS MORNING.

Officers and persons authorized to exercise the powers of the Minister under section 25 shall comply with any instructions before processing an application or request or when processing one. If an application or request is not processed, it may be retained, returned or otherwise disposed of in accordance with the instructions of the Minister.

Roy
www.cvimmigration.com

[17-03-2008,10:37]
[**.55.219.29]
Roy
(in reply to: looks like we might be getting new rules)
here is my SPECULATION - they are going to take in a year of applications, fill the NOC codes they want, return or destroy (depending on the wish of the applicant) all unselected applicantion and then draw down the balance of the annual quota from the pre-2008 applications until the pre 2008 are all gone.

I am wondering if some of these rules may close the option to land and work overseas. That PR application is using quota without providing Canadian benefit.

Whatever we are doing, I think the idea of skill priority rather than ´first in´ might go a long way to sort out some of the problems we all seem to be facing.

[17-03-2008,13:30]
[**.155.160.37]
Sharon
query (in reply to: looks like we might be getting new rules)
i am a pharmacist from India.Currently in UK.Is it advisable to apply from UK these days or to wait till the new rules to come out.

when these rules r going to apply!!!!

[24-04-2008,07:52]
[***.254.200.222]
alex