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what makes being white any different than being brown - nothing.
My significant other is brown and I have watched him adapt and make his way around a ´white´ society than he came from. He personally struggles with anyone of any colour - because they are different. White is not the problem - different is. At the same time, he cannot get over how nicely he is treated by ALL colours - and he is brown and does not speak english very well.
I am discriminated against for other reasons - so being white does not shield anyone from social discomfort.
Discomfort with what is different is a universal problem. Does it make it right - absolutely not.
As for what to do about it - Roy is absolutely correct, if you were treated in a disrespectful way - report it.
As for my short tempered remarks... you caught me at a bad time. I get really tired of the assumption that poor behaviour is automatically racism in a country where it´s sometimes hard to tell who is entitled to what.
[07-04-2008,13:58]
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Sharon |
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(in reply to: to Omar)
Sharon was caught at a bad time, OMAR, so please ignore her previous comments. She is overall a helping lady and we can not blame her for her short tempered attitude sometimes because she is a human as well. And same goes with Roy as well. He is an asset for this forum because he clearly gives you right direction on your immigration issues. His views might be different on such topics but difference of opinion is not a crime and we must accept and respect other´s opinion. As a human being we all should work towards making this world a beutiful place.
God Bless You All. Amen
[07-04-2008,14:22]
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Mike |
(in reply to: to Omar)
I think webmaster must bann you Mr./Ms. Anonymous. Because you are doing no good on this forum. Please, see a doctor as soon as possible because as a nice human i care about your health. So please do not waste time and get an ppointment ASAP.
[07-04-2008,14:39]
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Mike |
(in reply to: to Omar)
Once in a while such topic comes.
Anybody can express his/her feelings as a immigrant in Canada; whether good or bad. If only one sided stories are welcome then it would´nt be any open forum anymore.
No point of denying or even accepting Omar´s bad experience at the Airport. Why deny? Do you think or warrant that such incidents can never happen in Canada? I only can feet pitty for you. On the other hand some misunderstanding happened; he may be stressed out..true that no one was there to witness. But, fact is that may be possible and he was very specific.
What Roy suggest should be welcomed by all; REPORT to the appropriate authority.
I´m muslim as well and had to pass sometimes extra time in passing security at the US airports. But Homeland security has a form online that you can fill up to get sreened if you feel like you are being discriminated and having problems. I did that and there after problem is solved.
It is also true that most people wouldn´t feel the pain of discrimination. I feel sad when I see the effort of denying of such stories overnight as if those incidents can never happend. I know some stories may be exagerrated, but such things can happen anywhere. Logics like 50% more minorities or other countries are worse don´t come up as good explanation.
[07-04-2008,15:07]
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DC |
(in reply to: to Omar)
So it appears DC that someone from Buxton, Guyana is back hmmmm.
R U implying DC that Omar´s story is all one sided because it is only his opinion?
I never denied the story DC nor did anyone else but again it flames the fires of what? I can write a story of how great CBSA officer treated me or someone else but without any witnesses or corroboration its a story. Its like statistics they can be spun this way and that.
Now Mike is supposedly new but even he thinks that anonymous 112.25.165 should be band but he was.
Who is Omar? Is he anonymous? Is he from Buxton, Guyana? Which airport did he fly into? Did it happen exactly the way he wrote it?
File a complaint and prey anything like this never happens again. By filing a proper complaint it may not make Omar feel any better but it may prevent any CBSA officer behaving anything remotely like this, that is IF it really happened.
DC all I´m trying to focus on is (since it happened) why did Omar not file a proper complaint instead of posting here. Is this an attempt by BP to get this type of racist comments back on this forum.
Like you said DC every so often this comes up but there is a proper place to file a complaint.
I can only assume BP was in Toronto this weekend to attend the CSIC---CMI continuing professional development ---- ---- courses and could he be behind Omar....
Who knows but I know racism, I have experienced racism, and Raj you never were around when BP was to see a brown man as a racist. They do exist just see IP address 112.25.165 above and would it be worse or better if he was a Muslim.
Roy
www.cvimmigration.com
[07-04-2008,15:39]
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Roy |
(in reply to: to Omar)
Roy,
I never feel that interested to investigate who are behind..or assuming aka.. Is BP behind here? I don´t know. Fact is BP is not the only one who can make up these. If you can mingle within the immigrant soceity as their own then you may hear thousands of such stories everyday. Some are valid, some are just fictious, over reacting..exagerration..misinterpretation.
Just few days ago one of my middle eastern colleauge (is a US citizen and living here for more than 25 years) told that Americans are redneck. Why? He was riding in a shuttle and talking in his cell in Arabic. 2 guys there told him to speak slowly. So, conclussion, they are all redneck and hates Arab. Though I know very well that he can´t speak slowly, he is always loud no matter in what language, it bothers everybody.
On the other hand I know some true stories of harrasements as well.
So, both sides can be ture. Why here? Probably Omar felt to share this in this forum and was not aware of any proper way to report. Or like some, he doesn´t believe in reporting would do anything good other than bad. Too much speculation, he can tell better.
Just out of common sense I can never support what Mr. Anonumous said here, no matter who he really is. Of course such vulgar comments must be banned.
[07-04-2008,16:09]
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DC |
(in reply to: to Omar)
Roy,
Whoever Anonymous is, we all condemn him, for all we know maybe he can be a white too, just like any other color.
Agreed Omar must file a complaint, but you need to know thats not everything, if it really happened then whats wrong in letting us know about it ? Are you suggesting that Omar is not telling the truth and you that for a fact ?
Blaming everything on BP is your hiding place (I know someone is going to do IP research and prove in the next 5 minutes that Omar is actually BP) but regardless we are discussing a scenario that is possible, why always pick on the immigrants first Roy ?
I have been long enough here, and very involved since the time a so called immigration consultant guy jumped at me and accused me of trying to bend rules for my benefit when all I wanted to ask was a simple innocent question related to immigration.
[07-04-2008,16:22]
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Raj |
(in reply to: to Omar)
Sometime you want to share your good and bad experiences with others and i can feel why Omar chose this forum to share his experience. he knew that people on this forum or either the applicants or the advisors like sharon and Roy and myself even sometime do advise where i feel i have the knowledge to respond. let me share my experience to you. My boss is white and he is against the whole immigrantion process. But it does not mean that he is racist. he has his own views, i am not white but we both sit and discuss this topic. He even said to me that he is against the application that i submitted for my father because he will become a burden on health system. I mean all these kind of statements he makes every now and then but i dod listen to him and argu with him and try to give and convince him with my opinions. Sometimes, i do think that he must be a racist person otherwise why would he openely criticize immigartion infront of an immigrant. While he is an immigrant himself from UK and moved when he was around 10 years old.
We must show the patience to listen and argue with valid grounds because responding with more ahtred would not help and it would create more fuss in the world.
Peace!
[07-04-2008,16:25]
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Mike |
(in reply to: to Omar)
DC, you just made me giggle. my guy speaks arabic and when he does, I always assume he is angry about something. I guess it is the way the sounds are formed or some such thing.
[07-04-2008,19:44]
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Sharon |
(in reply to: to Omar)
True Sharon, typically these guys use to speak loudly..with little excitement that almost turns to be shouting:).
[07-04-2008,22:02]
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DC |
(in reply to: to Omar)
I agree mostly in what you say Raj and Mike Racism in any form in Canada is not welcome and must be condemmed.
Lets say I´m just a little too much a skeptic when it came to this posting. When one posts I see the question and ask why did they post that. Most times any posting is clear why they are posting they want an answer to a question.
When one posts without asking a question and creates a debate and then posts again to create even more discussion then disappears I start wondering. Where did he go, why post and then post again to accomplish what and then disappear?
Lets give Omar the benefit of the doubt and it happened, it is very wrong--agreed!
Bally could be back and I for one would not call him a racist or a sexist or someone who wishes to see racism around every corner. Bally is a perfect short gentleman with excellent behavior and never defames or insults anyone. The fact that he got banned twice from this site was not his fault in any way shape or form.
I have to stop drinking "hic"
I see things different, sometimes. It does not mean I´m right it just means I see things through my own eyes.
Roy
[08-04-2008,18:30]
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Roy |
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