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it is one thing to have someone collect your mail for you... it is an entirely different matter to falsify documents. You may not have needed to prove income but you still chose to deliberately misrepresented your employment history.
you think that is OK? it is almost as if you are proud of yourself! the idea is to worry about it before making such a stupid decision- not afterwards. Not sure what will happen if CIC finds out. Disallow the application perhaps?
To those of you who think CIC is too strict, or takes to long or is unreasonable - you just met the reason why.
[20-05-2008,19:35]
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Sharon |
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(in reply to: to Griffin)
So the company does exist, its seems you are doing it on the forum as well. Telling half truths. First claiming that the company doesn’t exist then changing your mind. Is there something else you are not telling us?
While CIC may have an issue with falsified document, another important aspect is what happens if the company finds out? I don’t know Canadian laws, but in many countries, this is a serious crime. The company would be within their rights to file a case against you.
Ray
[20-05-2008,20:27]
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Ray Masa |
(in reply to: to Griffin)
And one more thing, you said:
"I had my friend draw up the relevant papers with all relevant info, and we signed them. I thought that was okay."
What makes you think that was ok??????? Fer cryin out loud. Would it be ok, if I take your credit card without your permission and sign a false name and go on a shopping spree?????
I am sorry, if I sound harsh, but to say you find that ok is mind boggling.
Ray
[20-05-2008,20:30]
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Ray Masa |
(in reply to: to Griffin)
Unfortunately, I cannot find my original forum post so I can´t verify if I did in fact say that the company did NOT exist. If I did, then it was a mistake. Of course it existed. It´s one thing to forge an employment letter but do do it with a company that is not listed in Canada 411 would be foolish. So, hard as you may try to turn my own words against me (obviously you have practiced law) that is not what I meant to imply or was done. As for placing blame on cases such as myself for making CIC too strict may I remind the main reason most immigration company exist and earn money is to bend the rules regarding the fast track sponsoring of suspect individuals? Perhaps the CIC is spending so much time investigating the authenticity that an 18 year old Thai woman is hopelessly devoted to her diabetic 67 year old husband? As Ray posted to me personally, YOU ARE A CANADIAN, YOU EARN A DECENT LIVING, YOU PAY TAXES, THE CIC DOESN´T CARE ABOUT YOUR CASE! So, if I sounded flippant or boastful about my ´go straight to jail´ offense perhaps this forum would be of better use, and better moral support to the average user, that the folks moderating aren´t so willing to ridicule the absurdity of the CIC one moment and then play hardball the next....with the same case. Yes, I broke the rules and created documents that proved that the sums of money I earned....I earned. Let me say one last thing, if the CIC wasn´t so jail house warden-like with their policy of ´all documents must be included or you go back to the bottom of the pile´ then perhaps folks like myself would not have to resort to such actions. Am I proud of myself for doing such? Of course. It´s about time we all took the incentive to get things done TODAY and not let them fester until we keel over and die. Typical Canadian philosophy. Am I happy I might be punished for it? No. But one thing is for certain. I can find an immigration company to give a few hundred dollars to to fix the issue. CIC takes too long and is too unreasonable because it follows the model of EVERY other government bureaucracy....unless you have the money. By the way, the ´I thought that was OK´ line was stupid. I was talking to my wife as I wrote that and I suppose I had a temporary lapse in....what do you call it? Concentration....right. Now please continue to give your clear but ultimately decelerating advice to the poor folks who want to live in Canada. Thanks for the personal attack. Good therapy.
[20-05-2008,23:15]
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Griffin |
(in reply to: to Griffin)
applause. that was the best case of self justification I have heard in a long time.
if you don´t want to hear the truth, don´t ask the question. as for not finding your post - you sure did not look very hard.
in your own words-
Proof of employment. I needed a notarized letter with all sorts of information and had a fraudulent one expertly created for some company that doesn?t exist. Stupid, I know.
[20-05-2008,17:38]
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Griffin
[20-05-2008,23:23]
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Sharon |
(in reply to: to Griffin)
Got me there. I certainly said it. What was I thinking? Maybe I was hiding the fact that I didn´t want the unlawful nature of my actions to be amplified by telling the whole story. That happens in life, as you may know. gauge peoples reactions before you tell them you don´t really have a cold sore...it´s herpes. As for the truth? I made a mistake. I broken the rules, knowingly. It´s possible that I´ll be punished for them. I am not happy about it. I came to this site to get some advice. Got some. Felt comfortable and it bit me in the butt. Still, at the end of the year, I doubt I´ll get the CIC ´DElAYING BASTARD OF THE YEAR´ award. Anyways, thanks for the advice....I think:)
[20-05-2008,23:35]
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Griffin |
(in reply to: to Griffin)
you might get away with it but it is tragic you likely did not even need to put yourself in such a position. There is something liberating about walking through the front door free and clear.
Hopefully, the bite in the butt is not fatal.
[21-05-2008,01:02]
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Sharon |
(in reply to: to Griffin)
This individual Griffen is no different then someone trying to justify that stealing from a huge multi billionaire company is okay but not from a mom and pop neighborhood store.
When someone pays to enter into a MOC Marriage of Convenience with a Canadian and gets their PR card and quickly divorce to set their real plans in progress. Then they head back home and marry their true love and submit a spousal sponsorship.
CIC comes after the new BOGUS Immigrant and not the Canadian Citizen. Easier to prove new PR in the wrong then the Canadian.
So lets focus on the positive of Griffen´s situation.
LETS ALL SAY THANK YOU TO THE PERSON WHO PASSED ON THE INFORMATION TO CIC AS TO THE DISGUSTING ILLEGAL ACTIONS OF GRIFFIN.
See good law abiding people have friends everywhere.
Morning!
Roy
www.cvimmigration.com
[21-05-2008,07:05]
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Roy |
Question for Roy (in reply to: to Griffin)
Roy, let me ask you a hypothetical question: If you found out my real identity would you go out of your way to report me to the CIC? What if we met in your office and your genuinely felt I was a decent individual? Would you still feel compelled to report me to the CIC? What if I met you in your office and asked you to help me to deal with the issue? Would you still report me to the CIC? Again, I am simply interested in what you would feel most compelled to do, professional service aside and all.
[21-05-2008,08:42]
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Griffin |
(in reply to: to Griffin)
lawyers represent criminals because all people should be entitled to qualified representation. It happens every day in every court in the country. Those relationships are governed by consultant/laywer/client priviledge.
If we reported every foolish post that we read here we would not have time to do our real job. Besides... we have no proof here and as many of us know - questions on this forum are not always based on genuine information.
again, quit trying to flip the tables of accountability. You messed up - no excuse. end of story.
[21-05-2008,09:10]
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Sharon |
(in reply to: to Griffin)
Griffen your good at getting a response.
When I represent anyone I represent them based on the evidence against them. Not if they are guilty or innocent in my opinion. I inform them that this is the best option based on my knowledge, etc.
The fact is that you needed not to provide this bogus employment letter. If you would have consulted me I would have informed you not to submit any letter and you would have been approved to sponsor your spouse.
There is no logical reason to report you I do not worry about things that I can effect no change. Why worry about a meteor that will strike the earth one million years from now. I do not worry about things that I can change because if I can change them, I change them.
Regardless of being decent or not is not one of my criteria for accepting a client. I like to win and hate to loose so I choose Hillary. 35 - 16 hmmmm
Griffen there is no issue. What issue, your partner is Landed. You have no clear evidence that anyone actually reported you. You have gossip. You probably continued with your attitude of your postings on this sight in discussions with others so they told you they reported you.....so.
Bring the big bucks and the evidence and if there is a problem at that time I´ll decide if there is any logical reason based on success that I would represent you.
Keep trying to get me and others to keep this tread going but like Sharon said and I quote. "end of story"
Roy
www.cvimmigration.com
[21-05-2008,09:50]
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