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It looks like racism is a big factor in why Hillary is doing so well and Barack so poorly in some of the Appalachian states. It´s shocking to me that this level of racism so blatantly exists in these states. For those interested, this article was just published today in the local newspaper:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-whites-obama-080520,0,7363123.story
I bring this up here because I don´t think these attitudes would be found anywhere in Canada, no matter how rural or remote. Another plus for immigration North.
[20-05-2008,20:27]
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sad that a man is judge by 50% of his gene pool. I must confess I am enraged and saddened. Being a woman, I can relate in some small ways. Being told you can´t do something or achieve something because of genetalia is one of the most horrible experiences one can ever imagine. To be isolated or dismissed because Daddy had dark skin is beyond my imagination. Beyond comprehension.
Richard, to be honest... I am sure Canada has racists with similar issues. Can´t say it would be towards blacks - perhaps Chinese or East Indians. Ironically, these 2 groups have a reputation of not liking each other as well.
I forget that all my life I have sat in school beside kids of different colours. Not everyone has been so fortunate.
There is a TV series created in Canada called Little Mosque on the Prairie. It is a comedy - but puts a Muslim community smack in the middle of the Canadian version of Kentucky. It has really served to open honest discussion about adjusting to a new world where people around us are different.
[20-05-2008,21:24]
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Sharon |
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must be tough for some of those white men in Kentucky. a black man or a woman - golly gee...such a choice must be causing them endless angst. They may even have to vote republican.
pfffft.
[20-05-2008,22:37]
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Sharon |
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Yes, I think that´s right. Especially when the Tribune reporters found that "the vast majority would like a white male candidate." It´s like going 100 years back in a time machine in parts of Kentucky and West Virginia.
I think it´s strange that mainstream media (i.e., CNN, MSNBC) avoid mentioning this issue in their post election political coverage and analysis. It´s such a deeply rooted problem, better to hide heads in the sand and just call it the rural divide.
I did catch "Little Mosque on the Prairie" up there. Is it still a hit? Now that program does seem to address cultural tensions and issues that are mostly avoided down here. Probably the last time I saw something like that in the States was a comedy dealing with race called "The Jeffersons".
Oregon should provide some reasonable and alternative balance to some of this backwardness. Shows how much division still exists here. Can we make Illinois the next new Canadian province?
[20-05-2008,23:25]
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Richard |
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hmmmmm the Jefferson´s. I seem to recall them ´movin on up´. I tended to prefer Archie but our age is REALLY showing. Please move to Vancouver so we can have a pint where everyone knows your name. :)
Obama was inspiring again tonight. I am very distressed that the underbelly of US society has become so exposed. Colour...hopefully shame will prevail over racism.
[21-05-2008,00:59]
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Sharon |
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SHARON ---- RICHARD
YOU TWO HAVE SUNK SO LOW I´M SHOCKED!
I HAD HUGE RESPECT FOR YOUR POSITION IN THIS HORSE RACE UNTIL THIS POSTINGS. KEY WORD (HAD)!
SHAME, SHAME, SHAME ON BOTH OF YOU!
DID I EVER CLAIM HILLARY CLINTON WAS NOT BLOWING THE DOORS OF BARACK´S POSITION BECAUSE VOTERS WOULD NOT VOTE FOR A WOMAN?
COULD I HAVE FOUND A HILLARY CLINTON HOME TOWN PAPER (CHICAGO TRIBUNE) THAT HAD THE SAME VIEWS THAT A CERTAIN GROUP WOULD NOT VOTE FOR A WOMAN!!!! COME ON. RACISM WHAT A JOKE.
HILLARY HAS GOTTEN RID OF SOME OF HER STAFF AND TAKEN CONTROL OF HER CAMPAIGN HERSELF. WHAT YOUR SAYING IS 64% OF ALL VOTERS IN KENTUCKY WERE RACISTS AND 1% LIKED HILLARY CLINTON´S MESSAGE.
THE SPREAD IN KENTUCKY WAS 250,000 VOTES AND THAT WAS DUE MAINLY TO RACISM, SHAME ON YOU TWO.
THE SPREAD IN OREGON WAS ONLY 90 THOUSAND VOTES, PEOPLE FROM OREGON ARE NOT RACIST, CORRECT? OH THEM TOO?
IF YOU TAKE YOUR (SHAMEFUL) THEORY TO THE MAXIMUM OREGON SHOULD HAVE BEEN A BLOW OUT FOR OBAMA BECAUSE PEOPLE IN WEST VIRGINIA AND KENTUCKY ARE RACISTS AND HILLARY´S NEW MESSAGE DOES NOT REGISTER WITH VOTERS.
EXPLAIN THE NUMBERS IN OREGON, COME ON EXPLAIN OREGON.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/usvotes/interactive-primaries-kentucky-oregon.html
I CLAIMED OBAMA WAS DISTANT LIKE A UNIVERSITY PROFESSOR GIVING A LECTURE, I CLAIMED OBAMA LACKED CONTENT IN HIS MESSAGE, I CLAIMED OBAMA DOES NOT EVEN KNOW HOW TO DRINK A BEER, I CLAIMED THE RACE WAS NO WHERE NEAR OVER, I CLAIMED HILLARY WAS THE BEST FOR THE US ECONOMY, I CLAIMED MICHIGAN AND FLORIDA HAVE TO BE COUNTED.
I STATE THAT HILLARY WAS AND IS THE BEST CANDIDATE THE DEMOCRATS CAN PUT UP AGAINST McCAIN. Not because she is better looking, better legs, tighter a-- etc.
SHAME GUYS
Roy
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[21-05-2008,07:31]
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Roy |
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UNCOMMITTED SUPER DELEGATE (BLACK) DONNA BRAZILE.
Why did I put black there to most who are worried about putting food on their table colour does not matter, what matters is fixing the economy and that is what a Clinton did before and can do again!
DONNA BRAZILE SAID BEFORE THE VOTES WERE EVEN COUNTED!
"She has an economic message that resonates with the voters who are concerned with the economy. she has taken her campaign directly to the streets, to the rural communities, she is coming back with the popular votes as well with more delegates".
Jeffery Tobin CNN Senior Analyst after the votes were counted.
" I think this pledged delegate category that the Obama people are talking about is equally bogus. Its not the category that leads to the nomination. Theres only one number that matters, which is now 2026. So I don´t think he can get any bragging rights as a result of this".
NOW ON MAY 31ST WHEN THE DEMOCRATS COUNT MICHIGAN AND FLORIDA WILL YOU (TWO) SAY THEY COUNTED THOSE STATES SO THAT A WOMAN WOULD NOT COME TO TEARS?
SEXIST --- RACIST
GET REAL!
FACE THE FACTS HER MESSAGE HAS GOTTEN BETTER AND HIS IS THE SAME OLD (change)
Roy
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[21-05-2008,08:07]
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Roy |
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Kentucky exit poll - 20% voted based on race. Those are the 20% who admitted it. What about the rest that were too embarassed to confess their behaviour upon leaving the voting station.
Hillary dragged out the sexist card today - nobody else.
perhaps someone other than me needs to get real~!
ps, please avoid the caps. I hate yelling.
[21-05-2008,09:03]
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Sharon |
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80% of voters in Oregon were white well Oregon and no capitals. So explain Oregon compared to the heartland of America.
Had your coffee yet Sharon?
Roy
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[21-05-2008,09:19]
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Roy |
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perhaps Oregon has emerged out of the dark ages.
[21-05-2008,13:16]
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Sharon |
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We got Roy a little excited I see. Good to have passion about issues like this.
Ok Roy, how about a reality check? We´re not in Scarborough anymore. These are practically post-Civil War towns and hamlets where people hang Rebel flags on the walls of their houses. They genuinely see people of color as not ready for important positions. The still live in a past where segregation (cultural now) is the way society should be ordered.
From the article:
"´They won´t vote for a black man´ Rife said of the people he has lived around for all his 57 years. ´That´s all there is to it. They just can´t bring themselves to do it´.
Few will express any particular dislike of black people, but asking them to vote for a black man for president is simply too much of a leap: ´They just aren´t ready for it´.
It´s a notion the Clinton campaign has been subtly pushing, claiming that only she can secure a Democratic vote in many large, predominantly white expanses of America."
To hide for these facts of reality and pretend they don´t affect how people vote is disingenuous or a fantasy.
This is all probably all in stark contrast to how people of color and ethnicity are treated in Canada. But then there´s no long history of cotton farms, slavery, and civil wars over the issue in Canada. But not that it´s any excuse that these attitudes should continue to exist in parts of the States today.
Hillary was a good candidate overall, I agree. And it´s a shame because she could have broken the gender barrier. But in my book she played too much on division, differences, and resorted to too much pandering to make me ever want to enthusiastically support her. I think the voters across the country saw it the same way.
[21-05-2008,14:00]
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Richard |
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