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Good day! I just hope anyone can help me with some of my questions.
I?m applying for a PR ( permanent residence Visa) and an agency here in my country is helping me out. They said that they will use the AEO scheme. Here are my questions:
1.If an employer issued an AEO to me, is he really OBLIGED to hire me and wait for me or does he has the right to terminate and not wait for me until I land in Canada?
2. When I land in Canada, if the job is still available, can I reject the job that is being offered to me and not work for that company even though they issued an AEO to me? Or should I really have to work for them?
3. If the agency that is helping me out told me that once I land in Canada, the job will not be available anymore, is this illegal???
I know that LMO and AEO is a two different thing. I?m just concentrating on the AEO and not LMO . The agency that is helping me is applying for the AEO because it can add points since applying for a PR Visa is by point system.
[26-05-2008,05:53]
[***.106.135.102]
Marivic |
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(in reply to: Arranged employment opinion)
I would be very cautious about how much you are trusting and paying the agency you are working with.
[26-05-2008,13:56]
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Sharon |
(in reply to: Arranged employment opinion)
Alright, I think since my candidate is close but not out I´m not able to laugh as much as I should anymore. Posts like this get to me too easily lately and it is not Marivic its me! Stressed out helping too many nice people having troubles of not their own doing.
THIS IS THE WAY I SEE THIS POST!
Marivic claims the agency that is assisting her is using the AEO scheme, (SCHEME)!
Marivic went to someone who recommended an AEO arranged Employment Offer SCHEME!
Marivic agreed to using the AEO SCHEME!
Issues were explained and money exchanged hands correct? Hence "they are helping me out".
Marivic wanted the quickest route possible and clearly understood that if you have a BOGUS arranged employment offer it is not an arranged employment offer.
Marivic had to be told that the agent had found a BOGUS employer who was charging certain amount to assist their clients aka Marivic!
Therefore the higher then normal fee, correct?
Marivic then asks does the BOGUS employer have the right to terminate the BOGUS AEO before he/she arrives! Now why would Marivic be concerned that the BOGUS AEO would be canceled from the BOGUS Employer?
I think it is because of the amount of money Marivic paid! Maybe she was worried about being cheated and loosing the money she/he has already paid!
Then Marivic asks if he/she would have to work for the BOGUS AEO Employer? The reason is that maybe she does not have the skills to meet the position that falls under level (A, B, or O)
Why would Marivic reject a position paying big bucks with a skill level of NOC A, B, or O?
Is it illegal Marivic asks!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah your the innocent little lamb and you did not seek out this type of company to assist you.
Marivic you know your telling lies. Your doing something that is illegal and your acting like a perfect little angel. You know that the AEO is designed to obtain additional points and to speed up the process.
I just do not see you as someone who has been led down the garden path by a bad guy I see that you have searched for the bad guy yourself and that you are a willing participant in an illegal activity.
I HOPE I´M WRONG.
See I could more easily accept it if Marivic admitted that he/she were bending the rules in your favor. If you admitted the same but to pretend to be innocent upsets me greatly! To pretend its all due to the bad guy adviser paints a picture of you with a halo over your head. The picture of you in an angel outfit makes me want to scream at the end of a long day fighting for those that need and deserve assistance from the government not treating my clients fairly.
Had not a perfect day and maybe I´m totally off base, maybe.
Roy
www.cvimmigration.com
[26-05-2008,19:42]
[**.158.55.233]
Roy |
(in reply to: Arranged employment opinion)
When I read the post the first time, it struck me that there is something going on under the table. But I didnt wanted to say anything. But I agree with Roy, it does not seem ligit. I would recommend caution dealing with someone who can get you AOE.
Also, doesnt AOE has to be validated by HRDC?
Ray
[26-05-2008,20:01]
[**.137.24.97]
Ray Masa |
(in reply to: Arranged employment opinion)
pay first, double guess later.
[26-05-2008,21:00]
[***.20.92.250]
Sharon |
(in reply to: Arranged employment opinion)
Ray I get AOE´s and you associate with me, LOL
A BOGUS AOE IS MISREPRESENTATION CORRECT MARIVIC?
A roofer which is very high demand is not rated high enough to get an AOE. Skill level is too low. Most occupations in most provinces that are on the demand lists can not get AOE´s
Crazy government.
Now if I was Marivic representative I would make all of my roofers construction managers --- nope, not me, that is why I´m still waiting to buy my yacht.
Roy
www.cvimmigration.com
[26-05-2008,21:03]
[**.55.216.118]
Roy |
AEO (in reply to: Arranged employment opinion)
Thank you all for the reply. Roy, I´m not what you think I am. I posted here to get some info. The agency that is helping me out ( a canadian consultant) is accredited by CSIC and I´ve already checked their name in the internet ( CSIC Website) and it´s really true, their name is being posted. The agency is also recognized by the canadian embassy here in my country. Yes I paid a higher amount compared to normal rate because I can´t wait for 5 years to process my papers and that´s the normal processing time here in my country. I have my personal reason of why I can´t wait for that 5 years so I opted to pay a higher amount to expedite my papers thus the agency thought of the AEO.
The AEO that they will give me is approved by HRSDC. Everything I went through are all the normal and legal process. I submitted my transcript, took the IELTS, etc. Everything that has to be done , I´ve done it. All my papers has to go through the immigration or the office where migration papers are being processed and approved.
Roy, I graduated from college thus have a degree thus have the skills. I just posted these questions because I wanted to know if what the agency is telling me are all true.
The agency told me that I have the right not to work in that employer who issued the AEO if I don´t want to. On the other hand, the employer also has the right not to employ me and he has all the right not to wait for me. This is only my concern because I don´t want to violate any rules. This is the reason why I posted the questions that am I really oblige to work for that employer or I have the choice not to work for that employer?
Thank you and hope to hear some more comments.
[26-05-2008,22:00]
[***.106.134.5]
Marivic |
(in reply to: Arranged employment opinion)
Dear Marivic
No agency or company is recognized by the Canadian government or the Canadian Embassy in your country only Individuals.
Individuals who have agents in other countries doing illegal stuff will sooner or later be found out because people like you talk. LOL
Yes you paid more then normal rate for something illegal and you knew well in advance that it was illegal but so be that. Yes it is a way to bend the rules and thank you so much for admitting that. Much appreciated.
It is a BOGUS (Arranged Employment Offer) AEO and it is so because you personally have not applied for the position.
All AEO´s must be approved by HRSDC and the employer must meet certain standards.
Now ask yourself this IF the employer has no intention of keeping your position open for the duration of your process and takes the money the CSIC member gives them what have you got? Not much! No AEO.
Think this way they get the money or someone in the company gets the money to attempt to obtain you a AEO. When finally CIC gets around to processing your application and they google the real companies phone number and no one in authority with the company has ever heard of you, what have you got? Even Less!
NOTHING!
No where did you claim that you were interviewed for the position for the AEO. Nothing was said regarding even applying for the position. All was done under the table, behind the curtain without any direct contact between you and the employer. Your soooooooooooooo qualified and with sooooooooo much experience the company will keep your position vacant until you arrive.
All you talk about is what any other FSW applicant would have to do.
Did you take your IELTS before or after the AEO was submitted to HRSDC? Any employer would want to confirm their future employee language ability. You talk about no employment history just a piece of paper, a degree.
Remember Marivic not all things that are fast are quality.
You have a degree and the qualifications. So what are the qualifications and why would the company offer you a position that they will have to keep it open for you for at least a year and a half or longer depending on your Visa Post.
60 months or five years for a FSW well how do you think all the others that are waiting 5 years feel about you beating them to the front of the line?
When one signs their name to an application whether it be a AEO application by an employer or a FSW application with an AEO it is a binding legal agreement.
See the issue is that once given PR status you can quit or the employer can fire you the second after you start working. TRUE but....................
Since the employer never intends to employ you and since you never intends to work for that employer.
Marivic your breaking the Law.
The Employer is breaking the Law.
Yeah you paid someone an excessive amount and you know because you shopped around.
Keep telling people your a nice person but I for one will never believe it.
Fast is better tell that to your sexual partner next time.
A Microwave is fast but I prefer my barbecue chicken on a spit.
REMEMBER Loose lips sink ships.
Sleep well.
Roy
www.cvimmigration.com
[27-05-2008,00:26]
[**.55.217.102]
Roy |
(in reply to: Arranged employment opinion)
May I join in the discussion? Sharon, Roy and Ray, I don´t quite understand why Marivic´s case is illegal. What if Marivic´s agency is really going out to look for a job for him? Really trying to communicate with companies which REALLY need a person with Marivic´s skills to fill in a position. Then the company OFFICICIALLY agrees to hire him and apply for the AEO through HRSDC. What´s the problem? It´s not paying money to a company to CREATE a job / position.
[27-05-2008,00:46]
[***.134.98.125]
Anonymous |
(in reply to: Arranged employment opinion)
a legit employer will pay a recruiter to find them qualified employees. Employees never pay a fee to be found.
[27-05-2008,01:33]
[**.155.160.37]
Sharon |
(in reply to: Arranged employment opinion)
Hi Roy,
Yes,only individuals are accredited by CSIC. so that individual establishes his/her company and it becomes a company or consulting firm or agency.
Roy, thanks for all the info that you have posted it really helped me though you are quite sarcastic. Maybe you can give informations without judging a person. Like me, I posted here to have more info and not to be judged. Just be thankful that you know the law of Canada.
People posting here needs info or help. Maybe you can help them by just giving them the information they need and it will be greatly appreciated.
A person doesn´t need to prove to anybody that he/she is nice. The way he/she speaks or WRITES will determine it.
More power to you Roy and GOD BLESS.
PS Thank you Ray and Sharon for your kind advices. Greatly appreciate it.
[27-05-2008,03:26]
[**.69.199.4]
Marivic |
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