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I was tuned into CNN for the entire evening, and I cannot agree more... that Bill is a sore loser... period. Its bad to blame Hillary for everything, and I have always thought that Bill is behind all this, happy to see his legacy NOT being intact after his campaign blunders. I can even comment that if Hillary does not throw all her support behind Obama, I know who to blame. Bill is not used to losing and his reactions are well documented for us to be debating about it.... its the case of grapes are sour.... I have to agree with Roy, Obama does not stand a chance unless the Clintons show some character, time is running out !!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24951668/
[04-06-2008,13:58]
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it is unfortunate that her reluctance to acknowledge the delegate count has damped Obama´s opportunity to enjoy this historic moment. Like him or not - he earned it. When someone wins the Stanley Cup, you usually have 2 teams with fabulous records. At the end of the night when they hand out the cup, the losing team leaves the ice to give the winner their well earned moment of glory. Hillary refused to do that last night and I lost a lot of whatever respect I had left for her. Any hesitation or consideration of any sort on Hillary´s part appears to be nothing more than posturing. The less flattering word for it is blackmail. Bill was an embarassment to his years in service with his behaviour.
Now the question will be - can she force Obama and the party to put her on the ticket or will she have the class to wait until she is offered a high profile job she deserves. Again, Obama has earned the right to freely pick his running mate.
[04-06-2008,15:12]
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Sharon |
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I also agree with Roy and Raj, without Hilary Obama will have a hard time to pass.
Hilary should join Obama for the sake of the country and the democrats must unite.
[04-06-2008,15:37]
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DC |
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There isn´t one good reason that Obama would pick Hillary for his running mate. To do so would be political suicide on his behalf. Can you imagine what he would be up against with her demanding her way at every step? And with Bill so close, along with his enormous machine backing up the Clintons´ agenda?
Obama couldn´t on the one hand proclaim change, and have an old school, Washington VP on the other. His backers would have a very hard time supporting him with her on the ticket. A lot of Americans (politicians and civilians) can´t stand her, and her lack of composure during this campaign has only further hurt her credentials. She would be better suited to a cabinet post or to stay in the Senate where she can actually fight for her own issues. Apparently she has done a very good job for New York.
McCain, on his part, can´t rally the troops like Obama can, and you can bet Obama will give him a run for his money. McCain relies on Bush to raise money and support, and won´t be able to get people excited like Obama can--and does. He quite frankly doesn´t have much to run on :"You want the same as you´ve had for the past 8 years, vote for me" just isn´t going to garner much support, considering how low Bush´s ratings (deservedly)are. He doesn´t have much to separate himself from Bush, much as he´d like to. Obama, on the other hand, is leading a revolution, and it´s clear that McCain isn´t looking forward to the fight.
Go Obama Go!
[04-06-2008,16:29]
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wannabecanadian |
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it would be like having you ex-husband living in your house with you while you are trying to date!
[04-06-2008,17:22]
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Sharon |
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Yeah sharon.... it would be very uncomfortable.
Wannabe, I agree with you, but there is a difference between 1> Obama picking Hillary as the running mate and
2> Hillary endorsing Obama.....
I believe (1) can happen but obviously its not Obama´s first choice as you have explained. But regardless of who he chooses as his running mate, its imperative that (2) happens, because even if Hillary backs out she need to rally all her supporters behind the party. Unless that happens, no matter what McCain does, he is the next president. It was a very significant event that happened yesterday, but as far as I am concerned.... the ball is in Hillary´s court right now, she can make or break this !!
Obama made it clear that the party needs to be united from the get go... that was misunderstood by Hillary as being vulnerable, Hillary´s campaign knew that if she can create a fear by implying that her supporters will desert the party if Obama is nominated, maybe the party will panic and ask Obama to concede, and that was the only card that she had all this time.... and has right now.
The best advice that anyone can give her now is to step aside and if by any chance Obama loses in the election, she could still hold her head high and say "I told you so !!" and then have a go at it the next time around.
[04-06-2008,17:26]
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Raj |
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she runs the risk of being handed equal blame if McCain wins unless she steps up and campaigns 110% for Obama.
Someone had to lose this contest and you have to be able to win gracefully as well as lose gracefully - we were all taught that in the first grade. Perhaps Hillary skipped grade 1
[04-06-2008,17:30]
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Sharon |
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Exactly. She should absolutely back Obama, and if she´s half the woman she claims to be, she will throw herself behind him wholeheartedly. There is no shame in doing the right thing, but a lot to lose if she does not, as Sharon pointed out.
Hillary tried to play a lot of games during her campaign, exactly the sort of games Americans are sick of. They´ve worked for an awfully long time in this country, and I think we´re all ready for a breath of fresh air.
[04-06-2008,17:51]
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wannabecanadian |
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Sharon what world are you in?
Historic moment for Obama get over your race issue it was a historic moment period for both or any candidate that ran a race right to the end before getting defeated.
Winning state after state and being branded a racist but not him a sexist. Hillary husband that is now 60+ accused of being a stud he was 9 - 11 years ago in Vanity fair but no names listed. Vanity Fair a good old white boy, red neck magazine.
When one beats another in a Stanley Cup game seven because of a bad call by the referee how many teams would give the other their moment of glory if it is not really deserved.
What respect Sharon have you ever had for Hillary you wanted her to quit after Iowa?
CAN HILLARY FORCE OBAMA TO PUT HER ON THE TICKET!!!! WOW! The question is did Edwards force Kerry, yes and he should of listened to him but refused to respond to the Republican character assassination.
Obama should get on his knees and beg Hillary to be on the ticket with him and should of done so last week. No class.
Sharon, Bill was an embarrassment but yet you defend yourself excessively when attacked without merit but Bill can´t? Who was he fooling around with this time? What he did with that Monica person was real wrong but he has paid big time for that. Do you condone the article that lists no names?????
It is not an issue as to whether or not Hillary deserves the VP position. The VP is normally given to one who can assist the Presidential candidate with getting elected or do you forget that Kennedy got elected because of his VP selection?
DC thinks Hillary should join Obama for the sake of the country but Wanna be Canadian can´t see a logical reason that Obama should pick Hillary. When your in a race you want someone who can bring out certain voters and she has millions of them that think like me that she got a raw deal.
REASON ENOUGH!
Then again some of you probably think McCain has no chance of being elected. WRONG!
The Democrats have to put the best alternative to the Republicans and Hillary can deliver two or three key States and according to you and Richard all the red neck states. But they vote.
Where have some of you been the last four weeks???? Hillary has been winning and winning and not in all Red Neck States.
If not Hillary then who? Edwards LOL LOL LOL
When you follow all the rules exactly as they are laid out nothing of value ever is invented or created. Edison had an idea and stuck with it, Gates had an idea and stuck with it, etc. etc.
Millions of Americans feel like Obama she fought a hard campaign and nothing was dirty at all just wait for the Republicans.
How could some of you not see the numbers without her Obama is an, all so ran!
Last night and this morning on CNN there were a map of the states depicting which party won that state last election. They compared Obama great midwest successes then showed McCain would get what. When they added Hillary to the calculation Obama wins the Presidency, without McCain is selected.
When your in a drag race you want a different fuel to get you there faster and like it or not some of you that fuel is a Clinton named Hillary.
Okay blog away.
Roy
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[04-06-2008,19:33]
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Roy |
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Hillary would never know her place as VP and the internal management of the white house would be horrific.
Personally, I would favor Richardson for VP. Similar experience, lots of tenure, backing of the Latino vote but minus the ego.
I did not follow the Vanity Fair drama. Just heard Bill spouting off in front of TV cameras. Enough for me.
[04-06-2008,20:44]
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Sharon |
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Ditto Sharon. Having Clinton as VP would be a nightmare for Obama. Word has it now that she will finally concede on Friday. We´ll hope so.
What those "maps" show is only part of the story, Roy, and you know it. They can´t take into consideration how the numbers of previously disenfranchised voters (ie: the black population, in many states) will change the voting landscape this time around. They also don´t take into consideration that Ohio, for example, voted Republican by the merest of numbers (false numbers, but that´s another story) which ultimately led to the unfortunate outcome of giving Bush another 4 years and solidifying its stature as a red state (but actually purple, since 1/2 voted Democrat). There are so many factors-- which will work both in favor for and against Obama, naturally--that "maps" can´t show and pundits can´t account for.
For all the people who would only vote for Obama if Hillary was his VP, I´m betting there an equal or higher number of people who wouldn´t vote at all if she were on the ticket. Thankfully this issue will be put to rest soon enough.
[04-06-2008,21:25]
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