Where can you apply for PR from? part 2

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Subject: Where can you apply for PR from? part 2
  Come on Richard, when i am saying that i have called CIC and verified this then why do you still insist on calling CIC. That means that Mike has no credibility and Mike is telling lie...heheheheh:) Come on guys, i may have behaved like a jerk sometimes on this forum but i am telling you that CIC has verifid the information. Secondly, i am the one who has gone through this. Trust me there is no joke, no lies and no exaggartion. In 2000, this was the rule, and as of June 2008 CIC is still verifying it. I agree with Ray Masa that CIC call Centre sometimes do not provide you the right information. But most of the time they are right and they are usually right on such issues. they are bad at very technical questions, like what kind of documents do i need, can i submitt two applications at the same time. But they are good and usually accurate at this kind of information. But its up to you guys, as i have mentioned, do not take my words, if you dod not feel like, just try to check it yourself :)


[28-06-2008,16:52]
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Mike
(in reply to: Where can you apply for PR from? part 2)
Mike,

When was your personal experience? As you know laws and regulations change. It used to be that you could apply from ANY visa post in the world (even if you have never visited that country). That changed a few years ago to where now you can only apply in the country of your citizenship or residence (as long as you were admitted legally for one year). I believe that change happened in 2004 (although I am not positive of the exact year, so give or take a year). It is when CIC changed it from applying from any visa post to only the above mentioned post that the 1 year admissibility came into effect. The first year it was in effect, there was confusion. If you applied during that time (around 2004), then yes, you may have been given that information. However, it was clarified that the case is one can apply from the country where he/she has been admitted for at least 1 year (but does not have to have resided in that country for a year prior to the application).

Ray

[28-06-2008,16:53]
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Ray Masa
(in reply to: Where can you apply for PR from? part 2)
Ray, i came to USA in 2000 and applied for immigration in early 2002 and when i inquired in 2000 they asked me to wait until i complete my residency for one year. then i got busy with my studies and job and i applied in early 2002, although i was able to apply in 2001 (late) but i did not because of different things.

Rules do change, i totally agree, however, as i have stated earlier i called CIC and verified the information and they said YES. You know what, why i got stuck with that crook lawyer because i did not trust CIC call Centre. They told me 1000 times that my dad´s application is in Scarborough but i did not belive in them and i ended up paying money to that crook and she said the same that his file is in scarborough. So CIC Call Centres are not always wrong. On very technical issues they are unable to assist but still they try to avoid giving you the wrong information.

[28-06-2008,17:00]
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Mike
(in reply to: Where can you apply for PR from? part 2)
Have you ever noticed that everyone around you is stupid? Have you noticed that you have endless problems with immigration because they are stupid too. Have you ever noticed that the world treats you unfairly because everything is stupid?

may I submit to you that there is a common element in all these scenarios that may very well be creating the stupid factor. I will leave it with you to figure it out.

[28-06-2008,17:02]
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Sharon
(in reply to: Where can you apply for PR from? part 2)
come on Sharon, speak about the subject and leave the rest. Things do not change over night, i know i need to overcome a lot of things and i am trying. It is difficult to re-program the built in chip........i am unable to replace it, trying to make this impossible, possible. Need support from you all. Thanks
[28-06-2008,17:05]
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Mike
(in reply to: Where can you apply for PR from? part 2)
the sooner you can get the chip off, the happier life will be. Nobody is out there to get you or punish you.
[28-06-2008,17:08]
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Sharon
(in reply to: Where can you apply for PR from? part 2)
Mike,

I find your experience a bit confusing. If you are telling me that you were told by CIC in 2000 that you have to reside in a country (of your non-citizenship) for a year, then I would have to say you were given incorrect information. In 2000 you could apply at any visa post. I am not positive as to the exact year the rules changes, but I think it was around 2004 (or 2003). I am quite positive (someone correct me on this), but in 2000, you could apply at any visa post.

I canít imagine that CIC would tell you such a thing in 2000, when the policy was very different. Are you absolutely sure it was in 2000 you contacted CIC and they told you that? I am not saying you are making this up, but I find it incredibly hard to believe that CIC in 2000 would tell you about a regulation that didnít existed at all. How can that be possible? I donít think CIC Call Center could be that incompetent.

As to your earlier point that lawyers (like AK Canada are always correct because they would get in trouble for giving wrong information), here is a FAQ from another lawyer (http://www.canadaimmigrationlaw.net/Immigration/FAQ/application_procedures.htm), there FAQ states ď3.1 Where do I submit an application for a Permanent Resident Visa?

You may submit your application along with supporting documents and applicable fees in any Canadian visa post of your chose. However, applications from outside the visa post´s jurisdiction may be processed at a slower pace than those submitted from within the assigned jurisdiction of the particular visa post.Ē

So, since you have more faith in lawyers than CIC, would you believe the above lawyer as well? And which one would you believe now AK Canada or Canada Immigration Law? And why?

Now you see why I insist on official sources? Anyone can put a page on the internet saying whatever their little heart desire. You can of course believe in whatever your heart desires. But please, donít go around screwing up other peopleís life, just because you believe a certain way.

Ray

[28-06-2008,17:46]
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Ray Masa
(in reply to: Where can you apply for PR from? part 2)
Mike, did you not say at one point that you are 21 years old? in 2000 you would have been 13.

The earliest you would have been allowed to immigrate is 2005.

What´s going on here???????

[28-06-2008,18:36]
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Sharon
(in reply to: Where can you apply for PR from? part 2)
LOL....did i say at any point i am 21. Really....?????. I am 31 not 21. Typo may be, sorry about that Sharon.

No ray, i did not say that i have more faith in Lawyers than CIC. However, when i am saying that i have called CIC and inquired about this and they have said YES, then what is the point. When lawyers and CIC both are agreed upon one thing then, obviously i have to believe. You may call CIC tomorrow and verify yourself, Ray. This would also give us a chance to judge the credibility of CIC because i swear, CIC told me that residency for one year is required and secondly it has happened to me as well.

Ray, it cant be 2004 because i was landed in Canada in 2004 (december), took me less than 2 years to get my immigrant visa from Buffalo, interviwed in Detroit. I might be mixing up between 2000 and 2001 but it cant be 2004, i am sure about this. But the point is that we are not discussing when the rules were changed, we want to know if the rule does exist or not. And according to CIC, it does. wait for one more day and please give a call to CIC and they will give you the answer. Please dicuss this in detail with them because when an agent on the phone is not clear about an answer, he/she goes and consult their resource centre and ask their supervisor who is probably more knowledgeable than them and get a confirmed answer, so ask the agent to verify it from the supervisor because this is what i did in my case, several years agao, and the other day after Tanveer posted this question.

And what kind of official source are you insisting, you want immigartion minister to write you a letter. How many times i should tell you that i have checked with CIC. And please do not start this discussion again about screwing people´s life because i can bet that i am right and you are confused. Because i have verified the information and you haven´t. If you think i am wrong then why don´t you call CIC, write a letter to them, and give us an ooficial sources where it say that residence is not required. Stop arguing man, when you do not have the information, handy.


Now you are confused about the lingo used by CIC, AKcanada and Canadaimmigration.net (you quoted). You defintely have the choice to apply anywhere you want. Remember that lawyer is using a tricky lingo, you have the choice, however, whene you will go for your choice you will have to follow the instructions as well. Lawyer has deliberty left this part because this a marketing strategy to attarct customers. And there is nothing wrong about it. They are saying you can choose any visa post. Consider youreself as an applicant, and think if you have the liberty to choose any visa post or not. Defintely you have the choice BUT you have to be eligible to apply from that visa post. Which is one year admittance along with residence. Some lawyers do not like to post this kind of information on their website because they make money by answering these questions.

Come on buddy, there is nothing wrong in accepting that i am right and i was right. There is no ego play going on. Anybody can be right or wrong. Do not take it personal. If you are an immigration lawyer or consultant and it hurts your reputation then never mind, do not accept it. i shll not ask for it.

Good Luck!


[29-06-2008,11:36]
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Mike
(in reply to: Where can you apply for PR from? part 2)
Mike,

I do find it hard to believe that CIC would have told you in 2000 that you need to reside in a country for 1 year, as you could apply at any visa post then. So your entire assumption that you called CIC and they agreed with a non-existing policy brings into question as to why.

Anyway, I am not going to debate this anymore and would continue to agree with whatís on the CIC site, not what a lawyers tells you or what CIC (apparently) told you when the rules were not even in existence.

No I am not an immigration lawyer or consultant, so it does not hurt my reputation. What does irritate me is when people give wrong information and try to mess up others for their own sadistic pleasure.

Ray

[29-06-2008,12:26]
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Ray Masa
(in reply to: Where can you apply for PR from? part 2)
The rule of giving wrong information may apply to you as well because you can not claim that you are always right. So be aware of your assumptions. Nobody is here to misguide people and people who come to this forum does not make their decisions based on the feedback they receive from this forum. This is a discussion forum. Every body is here to share his/her experience and learn from each other. I shall give you an example. I was confused by an entry made by CIC on online status on my dad´s application. I consulted this forum. Roy an expert consultant told me that entry may be wrong because online status does not update regularly. I called CIC and they said your dad´s application is in Scarborough not in vegreville. They could not explain it to me why online status is providing information that my dad´s file is returned to vegreville. So confusion was still there. Consulted this forum again for more feedback. Could not get the clear answer. so approached that so-alled the top lawyer in Toronto (actually a crook) and paid her money to find out what is going on. She called CIC and told me that file is in Scarborough. When she messed about money, i lost trust in her words as well as she tried to take my money and did not honor her committment about a refund. So i called CIC again and said to the agent that look man, i have lost this much money because of this stupid entry, you guys are not giving any clear answer, i want to speak to a supervisor and want to know more details.

Superviosr checked it throught and gave me a very accurate answer which was totally making sense. I mean even the lawyers, consultant and contributors did their feedback but it was not a clear answer. Now that supervisor told me that since my dad is on visit visa and he has applied for H&C and at the same time send applications for visitor visa so online status is showing the both and does not distinguish which information is for which application. Entry about sending my dad´s application to vegreville was about his applcation for extension. About 1 percent of applications for extensions are referred to local office otherwsie CPC vegriville decides what to do withe them.

So in that case, vegreville sent my dad´s visitor visa extension to local office because they had already transfeered his file to them so they asked the local office to make a decision about his extension. Local office probably said, no, you take the decision and sent his application back to Vegreville. And that is how i eneded up getting confused about an entry and wated money and time.

So, let me assure you that CIC Call Centre people are nice people and they try their best to give you the right information. Online status is never wrong and it is updated when required, regularly. However, the online details are short and sometimes confusing. Now i applied for visa extension again and i noticed that online status changed in few days after vegreville received the application.

So Ray, please forget about when the rule was there are not. It is there and it exists because i have checked with CIC. And what is to worry about when you can call them and verify as well.

[29-06-2008,13:37]
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Mike