Genuine Spousal Sponsorship -- Refused

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Subject: Genuine Spousal Sponsorship -- Refused
  The Political Winds are blowing real strong these days at various CIC In-Land offices looking for anyone who might of Immigrated using a MOC marriage of convenience.

The politicians want to do something about bogus sponsorships, but they are going about it in a most unusual way. They are going after any new immigrant who was sponsored to Canada and applied for and received their divorce within two years of Landing. They find these people as soon as they decide to enter into another spousal sponsorship by telling the truth as to when their previous relationship was severed..

CIC has hired Investigators to go overseas to investigate any advertisements for bogus marriages. What a waste of tax payers money!

First the Investigator has to be a Canadian and even if he/she is an ethnic sent to their parents country they will be picked out of a crowd by their mannerism, accent etc.

Just because a marriage failed does not mean it is the fault of the new immigrant or that he/she paid for the bogus marriage & spousal sponsorship! SOME ARE THE FAULT OF A BOGUS SPONSORSHIP BUT...........

I have several clients caught in this situation especially in the last three months.

One client received a divorce due to the fact his Canadian spouse from the same ethnic background admitted to committing adultery. Two and a half years after the divorce is finailized he gets married to another from his own country. PLENTY of evidence to prove the current marriage is genuine.

CIC has done nothing in one and a half years but to send him a letter to his former address requesting an interview. Most spousal sponsorships are approved within 4 months from that Visa Post.

He is a lucky one --- normally the Visa Post just refuses the spousal sponsorship because they suspect something unusual.

If you got sponsored to Canada and there is a valid reason for the quick divorce always submit that with your spousal sponsorship of your new partner.

Prove everything as best as possible to save future heartache.

Roy
www.cvimmigration.com

[04-08-2008,22:28]
[**.52.216.14]
Roy
(in reply to: Genuine Spousal Sponsorship -- Refused)
I think it is time for them to adopt the US system. You are free to come to Canada and work but no permanent status for 2 years.

maybe this would help.

[04-08-2008,23:35]
[**.155.160.37]
Sharon
(in reply to: Genuine Spousal Sponsorship -- Refused)
Sharon

It is easier to fake a marriage if you have the funds to throw a lavish wedding and reception then to prove a genuine marriage if you have limited funds!

Think about that for a second.

Your concept Sharon is just as near sighted as the governments. We are talking about a marriage whether arranged or not!

How many marriages between Canadians fail within the first two years? Should we prevent all couples from having children until there is evidence of cohabitation for two years. Great political move!

If the marriage fails it fails. The problem arises when someone at CIC decides to investigate the new Permanent Resident for a MOC but can not do a thing about the sponsor, the Canadian citizen.

What should be looked at is the reason for the marriage breakdown. How soon after their arrival did they get remarried and submit a new spousal sponsorship.

Divorce papers outlining the sponsor infidelity should be submitted for any new spousal sponsorship especially if there is an accompanying affidavit. One must understand that not all divorces allow both to walk away as "friends" and the previous sponsor may be vengeful if their former partner has found another love!

The point I was trying to make is that when there is anything that someone could twist to make your spousal sponsorship the least bit suspicious it is far better to go overboard to prove your relationship is truly genuine.

Now because the Conservatives think that bogus spousal sponsorships is something no one ever thought of before, a new trend, is a growing phenomena, permanent residents are being persecuted.

In Toronto, Montreal and I´m sure Vancouver most ethnic newspapers have advertisements from Canadians offering funds for a bogus marriage yet the Canadians who advertise sponsorships for money are not hauled into court.

Sure seems like a double standard.

Roy
www.cvimmigration.com




[05-08-2008,09:06]
[**.52.217.120]
Roy
(in reply to: Genuine Spousal Sponsorship -- Refused)
In Finland,All married spouses get an immigrant status for 3 years (s-he gets all benefit as permanent resident but the visa type is fixed) and after that s-he can get permanent resident. I think similar type of status should be created in Canada ( I am not familiar with Canadian visa status) and it could be for 5/6 years. So, MOC would be reduce since no one wants to pay money so long.


[05-08-2008,09:32]
[***.29.114.6]
tariq
(in reply to: Genuine Spousal Sponsorship -- Refused)
I think it is not only for the spousal sponsorships, equally valid for parents/ other category too.

In the immigrant community you´ll find folks are sponsoring their parents/families back home while they don´t have any legal income. They simply arrange fake tax payment slip and submit. I don´t know how to stop this completely. I suppose that CIC should investigate more on the income statement rather than just looking the seal paid and the amount.

[05-08-2008,12:47]
[***.254.208.246]
DC
(in reply to: Genuine Spousal Sponsorship -- Refused)
Well, parenst case is different and it should not be mixed up with other bogus stuff. fake tax reciepts etc. only provide a convenince to bring their families to country at an early stage as parents are usually old and they can not survive on their own. meeting the income level in Canada is not that easy and if everybody waits to meet their income in a leagl way then 90% of the people would never be able to bring their parents to the country. And these parents do not become a burden on Canada financially as they are sponsored for a minimum of 10 years period and during these 10 years they dont apply for any assistance from the government. And after 10 years of life who know how many more years they have left in life. MOC are for money, parents are not for money. MOC has become a business while sponsring parents is not a business. So please do not mix these two different categories.
[05-08-2008,14:29]
[***.50.205.242]
Mike
(in reply to: Genuine Spousal Sponsorship -- Refused)
perhaps there should be a waiting period for the Canadian sponsor too - what ever the reason for the marriage failure - the national must wait 2 years after the divorce to sponsor again and the sponsored spouse does not obtain permanent status. Deterrant on both sides and yes, even genuine marriages fail but we are talking about a system that allows people who would not otherwise qualify (a generalization) educationally, medically, or financially to come to this country. There needs to be some form of accountability or pricetag for that priviledge.

and Mike, to say sponsored parents do not become a financial burden on Canada is delusional. They go to doctors and hospitals and community centres and use buses and all those things are not included in your undertaking agreement. You don´t pay enough taxes to pay for your own uses - never mind that of your parents. Canadian taxpayers get to help. So to suggest that parental sponsorship is this innocent activity that does not impact anyone other than the sponsor is bunk.

[05-08-2008,15:39]
[**.155.160.37]
Sharon
(in reply to: Genuine Spousal Sponsorship -- Refused)
Mike,

Rules regulations are made for a country´s welfare. No one should encourage or ignore any type of fradulent knowingly.

Sharon is 100% correct, older parents can enjoy the full medical service like any Canadian. That is a huge pressure on the Govt. Social assistance of 550$/Mo. can be nothing to it. I´m not telling that they can´t take that. Of cours they deserve the right as per law but people have to be honest. Looks like this time Govt. is going very harsh on family sponsor, may be there is a good reason. Earlier it was too easy to cheat, as a result now many genuine parents have to suffer.

If a person can´t meet the income restriction then how can he dare to sponsor his parents/family? Doesn´t make any sense. To be honest, in my opinion I would say the set income level is kind a low with the respect to the living cost.

I know many families claining their parents as dependent to get a tax break. So in shorts parents may not be eligible for social assistance for upto 10 years but still can be a good burden on the Govt. or the tax payers.

[05-08-2008,16:33]
[***.254.208.246]
DC
(in reply to: Genuine Spousal Sponsorship -- Refused)
Well, in that case my friend, govt has to bear this burden because govt. is also talking about family re-unification and setting immigration criteria where oonly Master degree holders and PhDs can qualify with several years of professional experience and on the contrary govt is unable to produce jobs to meet the standard of these immigrants. These highly qualified immigrants drive cabs and work at gas stations. They hardly mange their lives and and they have to bear a huge expense to support their parents back home as well. Not every parent is always in the hospital, or use buses for disable people. These people can live under very minor supervision. Health system in Canada is already crashing, not because of immigrants but because of poor managment policies. When canada needs immigrant, Canada needs to develop policies as well to support the immigrants. Govt is wasting billions of dollars on trainings and employment assistance programs instead of developing a policy which suits the needs of Canada. You can not talk about family reunification when you do not even like to give parents a visit visa. What kind of patriotism would you expect from these immigarnts who can not even meet with their families becausev of poor policies set by the govt. Stop the immigration and issue work permits and treat people like temporary workers and let them go when they are done with their job tenures so that they dont keep their hopes high. Do not look at the one side of the picture. For some cultures parents are important and they want to live with them and govt. of Canada has an immigartion calss which allows parents to come and live in this country. Now, instead of playing this hypocrisy games just close this immigration category so that only those who dont have parents come to Canada. We need a complete review of our policies and we need to stop wasting money on useless training program and employment assistance. Its a comple waste of taxpayer money.
[05-08-2008,21:29]
[**.251.66.96]
Mike
(in reply to: Genuine Spousal Sponsorship -- Refused)
Mike,

What you said now I fully agree, Sharon and Roy can testify that. I had several heated debates here on the issue of professional immigration. As a matter of fact I consider myself one of the victim and had to leave Canada, that is not the issue here. The professional immigration categories Govt. advertises do not have any real market demand in Canada and as a consequence the horror stories of job searching experiences are on air. I´ve a strong suspiscion that there is a vested quarter active to maintain this high rate immigration for their own benefits and the Govt. is just the remote control in their hand.

However, I always would say strongly that no one by any pretext should cheat the system. Though I understand that under severe frustration people may lose their normal sense. Did not find a job by your skill, then be vocal, share with all about your experience, most effectively leave the country for somehere you feel beter.

[05-08-2008,22:42]
[**.207.127.42]
DC
(in reply to: Genuine Spousal Sponsorship -- Refused)
67 points does not require a PHD. a sponsored spouse who later wants to sponsor parents requires nothing more than a marriage certificate.

In EVERY culture parents are important. Choices are made every day - all over the world about earning a living vs. living close to parents.

Nobody stops people from travelling several times a year to visit family. nobody stops people from financially assisting parents with monthly remittances. Yes, Canada believes in family renunification - generally that refers to spouses and children. This ideal of keeping families together works 2 ways. if you can´t bring your parents to Canada, perhaps consider staying in your home country so they are not alone and desititute.

Oh... sorry, perhaps I missed something. This idea only works one way.

[05-08-2008,23:49]
[**.155.160.37]
Sharon