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Subject: EXIT FROM CANADA
If a person on visit visa leaves the country before or after the expiration of his/her leagl stay. How would the CIC know that the person has left the country or not? Is there any system to monitor the records of visitors that they are still in the country they have left already. Thanks
[13-09-2008,15:18]
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Mike
(in reply to: EXIT FROM CANADA)
Yes, this is why your passport is scanned each time you cross a border. It tracks when you enter and when you exit.

In the case of being on a cruise ship ~ your passport details are presented to Port Authorities each time you enter and exit a port ~ so even though you did not present your information, Immigration still knows that you have entered and exited.

[14-09-2008,06:05]
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Carrie
(in reply to: EXIT FROM CANADA)
This may not true.

In normal case CIC doesn´t track by passport scan. When you exit Canada by air, only the airlines check your passport. So far they are don´t share al data of exiting passenger with CIC.

Also, you can drive out Canada by car to the USA, no passport scan in exiting at all. You can come back to Canada by car without any scan..border officiala just visually look most of the cases.

Only way is to you are supposed to return the permit to the airline when you exit Canada, that permit was given to you by CIC when you entered Canada showing your permitted lenght of stay. I don´t know it´s name in Canada, in USA it is called I-94 card.


[14-09-2008,10:00]
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DC
(in reply to: EXIT FROM CANADA)
Mike

In most former Soviet Union countries you go through their Immigration on the way in and out. Canada has NO EXIT requirements so their is no official record.

Overstaying will not find you inadmissible.

Relax

Roy
www.cvimmigration.com

[14-09-2008,12:34]
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Roy
(in reply to: EXIT FROM CANADA)
How about embassies in othercoutries, do they have any record of extensions that an applicant apply during their stay in Canada. For Example my dad has got several extensions and if he goes back to the country and tells the embassy that he had left the country long time ago. Would they be able to find out that he has applied for several extensions and and he just arrived in the home country not long time ago. What do you guys say?
[14-09-2008,13:12]
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Mike
(in reply to: EXIT FROM CANADA)
Quote: When you exit Canada by air, only the airlines check your passport. So far they are don?t share al data of exiting passenger with CIC.

This is not true. If you exit Canada to the US, when you pass immigration in the airport, your passport is scanned by the US immigration officers. When you fly internationally, you need to pass passport control in the country in which you land and your passport is again scanned by the officer there. I don´t know if US immigration shares it´s info with the Canadian authorities, but your passport details are recorded and your entry/exit is recorded by someone.

[14-09-2008,14:11]
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Carrie
(in reply to: EXIT FROM CANADA)
Carrie,

US also most of the times especially if you cross the border by road and have Green card/Citizenship may not scan the passport. Just some formal questions...you are inside your car and have a good day.

They only scan and enter all information into their system for the visitors who require visa, and for sure some countries in their list.

Scanning passport or not depends. There is not any hard and fast rule. Also, not necesarrily they share all data with Canada. They have treaty with Canada to share, but that doesn´t mean that they share all of the data. Some folks get over panicked by this data sharing..entry exit issue.

I personally didn´t surrender my I-4 card while I left US for Canada, after some years when I re-enterd there they didn´t bring that point.

[14-09-2008,22:26]
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DC
(in reply to: EXIT FROM CANADA)
I have to disagree with the thinking that data sharing is minimal.

First, no one knows for sure.

Second, in this day and age of world threats, it can only be assumed that much more is shared than in the past between the two countries that have the longest common unguarded border in the world.

Third, when making assumptions and guesses about who knows what regarding one´s own whereabouts when crossing international borders, it´s safer to bet these days that is is probably known.

[14-09-2008,23:54]
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Richard
(in reply to: EXIT FROM CANADA)
Richard unguarded border LOL

Have you not seen US Border agents arresting Canadians in row boats who have strayed too far across the river. What about the Jet Ski guy.

The answer depends on the posters home country. The odds are that there is no record.

Roy
www.cvimmigration.com

[15-09-2008,05:56]
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Roy
(in reply to: EXIT FROM CANADA)
Hi, It´s funny if Canadian Authorities don´t keep any record for Exit passengers..How would they know if a PR holder stayed in Canada 2 or 3years..especially if that person is from a Visa-Waiver country ( let say with new passport where you won´t find Landing visa)?

Well, I guess I would ask these questions from the Immigration Officer.

[15-09-2008,06:12]
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Tariq
(in reply to: EXIT FROM CANADA)
Richard and Tariq,

There is data sharing. BUT not that extensive as it is always super publicized and hence people get panicked. From US side, It mostly depends on your country of birth. Like, if you are middle east born, even with CDN passport most likely each and every steps will be recorded.

There is not enough resource to monitor each and every single trip even by the US authority.

There is tax data sharing exists bet´n US Canada. I can tell for sure that it is also not that extensive. How can I say that? I know many many H-1B workers file there tax in Canada with 0 income. They simply forget to declare their US income. According to data sharing, Canadian authority should jump after them. However, in reality I see there is absolutely no problem at all. In the past some even got Canadian citizenship.

Tariq,

Both US Canada don´t have any exit visa procedue, as far as I know exit visa process is rare, not very common. You are correct, because of that it is very easy to take unethical advantage over the 2/5 years rule. Many people use to take that advantage. The only way you can closely track is to by looking at the entry date to where you went. However, that is debatable as well, in many countries you can get away without any entry seal as well. Canadian authority has to rely mostly on personal honesty. If they have doubt then they can ask for proof of residence like home lease..employment verification...family physician...But to directly determine whether your PS status is lost due to under staying is very difficult.

[15-09-2008,10:26]
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DC