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  I have a question.How is possible in 2008 people die in the strett here in Canada because of cold,10days ago a lady die at the strett of Vancouver trying to light some candels to warm her self and send her self in to fire,2 days ago a 60 years man die in Montreal from the cold sleeping outsite(relly sad end for both of them)This things did happen in Europa 150 years ago(now no more)Which one is the really Canada,the one who lloy Robinson tell as in the NEWS or there outsite in the stretts is complet different an other Canada
Pls undesrtand me I do not want to offend nobody or Canada,but when you listen things like that hapen in 2008 is really sad

[23-12-2008,15:35]
[***.236.128.61]
stavrimacoku
(in reply to: question)
can´t speak to the man in Montreal but the sad situation in Vancouver had police speaking to the woman 3 different times that evening offering her assistance. She declined. Under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms - police could not force her into shelter.

That said...it is a absolute tragedy and our society must do better to assist those with mental illness, addiction and poverty to find a better life for themselves.

My business community where I work is 11 blocks long. We have 4 men and 1 woman that call the area home. Several sleep in the area at night - all are in their late 20´s - 30´s. Most street people do not live much past 50. In this past week we distributed boots, socks, fleece vests, gloves and touques to insure nobody was at risk of dying on our streets. They were all offered shelter. They all declined. Why... Marnie says it is safer outside for a girl than inside a shelter. The 4 guys - the current rules say no shopping carts or pets in shelters and you have to be sober/clean. Those are 3 rules they were not prepared to comply with even if it mean them sleeping outside in -15C.

The plight of the homeless in Canada is a very complex issue. Please do not misunderstand my statement - there are lots of people out there who make a living from the plight of the homeless and the money thrown at the problem is staggering. I have my the theories about how motivated people are to find solutions. If I see another study announced on the issue I may shoot someone. Just do it.


[23-12-2008,16:00]
[***.20.116.15]
Sharon
question (in reply to: question)
Dear Sharon
I know why the homless people do not like to go to stay in Salvation Army because they are treated like garbage not like people(my own experience when I come in Canada I stay there for a month BELKIN HOUSE Vancouver 555 Homer strett)they treated as very bad there was like prison. If you were wayting for wellfare you had the right to stay in the night, but if you were not you do not had the right to sleep there, I sow there was bed empty and they live the people outsite because they were not in wellfare.Because work like this when you apply for wellfare the wellfare pay them(salvation army) for you to stay there. I understand this people why they do not like to go to stay at Salvation Army
It was nice of you with your business community to hellp this 4 men and 1 woman, sometime just a good word worm the heart of this people.
God Blass You Sunshine

[23-12-2008,17:28]
[***.226.94.111]
stavrimacoku
(in reply to: question)
Salvation Army is probably one of the best not for profit agencies out there in terms of help for those living on the street. Virtually all the money they raise goes to programs - hardly any money for administration.

http://www.belkinhouse.ca/

[23-12-2008,19:19]
[***.20.116.15]
Sharon
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You are saying the province spend all the money(federal governaments money for this issue) to programs (which are all Bull Sh..because under this esxuse they still all the money), and administration of salvation army do not get any moeny from the province? I do not know maybe
One of this programs was call Destination there in Vancouver fake program with fake peoplle working there, really bad peoplle ma really bad

[23-12-2008,20:45]
[**.25.39.66]
stavrimacoku
(in reply to: question)
Huge difference between Vancouver and Toronto in the winter time. -30 to -40 with the wind chill.

Look face facts many homeless people are suffering from mental illness and can not cope with any shelter environment.

There is a guy who sleeps during the day on a hot grate outside the IRB at 74 Victoria Street year after year.

So someone died what about the woman found alive after three days buried under the snow.

Don´t ever bad mouth the Sally Ann any inmate in any Jail/Prison will tell you that the Salvation Army is ALWAYS there.

Say your sorry.

Roy
www.cvimmigration.com

[23-12-2008,21:29]
[**.52.216.62]
Roy
(in reply to: question)
http://www.thestar.com/news/ontario/article/557899
[23-12-2008,21:35]
[**.52.216.62]
Roy
(in reply to: question)
Roy, I suspect our friend is a troll looking for some entertainment.

my best friend´s brother in law was found dead in his van/home the other night - they suspect he died from the cold - hypothermia does not need -30 to be lethal. -15 is enough.

We are expecting snow tonight and through tomorrow. Yes, you can laugh - we simply don´t know how to cope with the stuff. I may be eating Christmas dinner for 10 by myself.

Let´s hope they can get a few more folks into shelters tonight so we don´t wake up to any more terrible stories on tomorrow´s news.

God bless the Sally Ann.

[23-12-2008,21:42]
[***.20.116.15]
Sharon
(in reply to: question)
It happens every winter in Toronto again and again and we know how to cope with the cold. Sorry to hear the news from the west but for you it just started raining!

That is right RAINING!!!!!

Roy
www.cvimmigration.com

[23-12-2008,23:02]
[**.52.216.62]
Roy
(in reply to: question)
Sharon ~ I´m sorry to hear about your news. I saw the story on the news the other night. Very sad, and you´re right, as a city we aren´t well equiped for this type of weather. We don´t get it often enough to take steps to prepare ourselves.

My apartment, like many places in Vancouver doesn´t have insulated windows and despite being inside, our apartment was very chilly. I just hope this passes so the mess at YVR can get cleared out!

[23-12-2008,23:21]
[***.216.179.126]
Carrie
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You people are full of krap, because homless people die evry year on streets from cold and it is ok it is normal for you. Bo most be something canadian this
Ok SAlvation Army is good place, how come homless people preffer to stay out in -30 then go at Salvation Army
Because Salvation Army is like a prison (ALCATRAS)

[24-12-2008,16:15]
[***.236.0.62]
stavrimacoku