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To All
I have been seeing on US TV Channels more and more commercials about foreign workers and keeping jobs for Americans.
Now I am a suspicious person when it comes to governments doing polls. What was the question asked and what sequence did they appear in. WHAT IS THE MOTIVE OF THE GOVERNMENT FOR TAKING SUCH A POLL?
A majority of Canadians believe immigrants who are in the country illegally or after their visas expire should be deported, even if they have family ties in the country, a newly released government poll shows.
THIS HAS TO BE A TAINTED SURVEY FOR POLITICAL REASONS!!!!
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=22dc364c-0bc8-44fa-ad5c-cbb68368f903
Canadian´s are compassionate people and would never vote this way unless tricked into this position. When Canadian´s see Joe Blow leaving his paper mill in New Brunswick for the last time and the story goes his grandfather and father worked there then it is closing. That has nothing to do with an illegal person working there taking his job!
Many countries invaded Iraq because of politics of fear. Nobody in Canada lost a job due to an illegal taking the position. Business is business and would any CEO or small time manager risk having CBSA or Immigration showing up at his companies door due to hiring illegals.
Deport Illegals even if they have Family ties!
Let CBSA even try and I´ll have that baby screaming as it is torn from his/her mothers arm for the last time on all Canadian networks. Two lovers in a genuine marriage being separated at the airport with both extended families all in tears makes a super front page story.
SO CALLED EXPERT Prof. Peter Showler, director of the Refugee Forum at the University of Ottawa, "He said estimates on the number of illegal immigrants in Canada generally range from 35,000 to 120,000 "
THIS GUY WORKS AND LIVES IN LA LA LAND!!! lol lol
There is 45,000 undocumented construction workers in the city of Toronto alone. Just Google or http://www.cleonet.ca/news/220 The total number is more likely 600,000 and the government under CIC Minister Judy Sgro in 2004 she claimed the number was 200,000
This is politics of fear, negative, negative thinking. Biometrics will not stop someone from strapping a bomb to themselves and will make Canada into something that it is currently not. What are these Red Necks from Alberta up to?
When the economy slows some individuals have to blame someone and the most identifiable ones that are the closest to them are the ones picked on. Politics of Bullies!
CBC News World had a great documentary on last night regarding the great depression and how the (then) US President said everything is okay and the market will correct itself THAT SURE SOUNDED LIKE STEPHEN HARPER AND G. W.
Stephen Harper a kinder, gentler family man. Taking and releasing Polls of fear to get his racist agenda on the table caught ya! LOL
My Morning Rant
Roy
www.cvimmigration.com
[16-02-2009,09:38]
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Roy |
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(in reply to: Politics of Fear)
Roy, I think you may have been drinking immigration koolaid for too long.
I respectfully submit to you that the poll is accurate - in principle. Where it becomes a challenge for Canadians is when that illegal immigrant has a face they can see, lives next door, kids go to school together and that person become a story that cannot be handled ´in principle´.
Canadians consider themselves fair players and fair minded. People who try to cheat the system get strong reactions whether it is immigration or tax evasion or scalping tickets for a hockey game. Those same Canadians will come to the aid of someone that is getting caught in the system or is unfairly treated.
I don´t think you should be looking for villans in this. It is a tough issue with no good answers. Nothing new about it!
[16-02-2009,14:08]
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Sharon |
(in reply to: Politics of Fear)
Sorry but I also disagree.
You should take the pulse of the people on the street.
They are fast turning against illegals (yeah I was one once so i don´t judge) and in my discussions most are in favor of limiting numbers from certain countries also.
Interesting times ahead
[16-02-2009,14:38]
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JamesM |
(in reply to: Politics of Fear)
Here´s an article from yesterday´s Telegraph Journal in Saint John, NB about a congresswoman who strongly believes that jobs should go to Canadians first before immigrants. 2 pages of comments show that the majority of people in the province (who bothered to comment)strongly agree. This is in regards to LEGAL immigrants and workers, mind you; I suspect the sympathy for illegal immigrants in this province is non existent.
Senator stands firm on barring foreign workers
Published Saturday February 14th, 2009
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Adam Huras
Telegraph-Journal
MONCTON - A New Brunswick Liberal senator is not backing away from a controversial call to bar temporary foreign workers from Canada, insisting they are stealing jobs from a growing number of unemployed Canadians.
Pierrette Ringuette defended her proposal for a "Canadians First" hiring policy on Friday, citing a 17-per-cent unemployment rate in northern New Brunswick as one of the reasons to hire at home.
Her suggestion has caused a backlash, with some critics suggesting the comments are troubling and discriminatory. Federal Liberals are distancing themselves from Ringuette´s comments, saying they do not represent official party policy.
"Whether the Liberal Party agrees with me or not, from my perspective as a senator, I am voicing the concerns of the people," Ringuette said.
"I now hope this government will review the current program, because it is not helping Canadians."
Ringuette, who became a senator in 2002 on the recommendation of then-prime minister Jean Chr?tien, said earlier this week the federal government should adopt a policy to reduce during an economic downturn the number of temporary foreign workers who can fill jobs in the country.
She said that if a business cannot find a Canadian to do the job, the business should have to pay $500 a month into a fund to train Canadians for the job in the future.
She said that in such a case, a foreign temporary worker could hold the position.
Ringuette said she is not against Canada´s immigration program, which brings more than 250,000 people annually into Canada. But she said she is firmly opposed to the temporary foreign workers program.
The senator said immigration should be increased to fill long-term labour needs caused by an aging population and slowing population growth.
But she said the roughly 170,000 foreigners working in Canada under the temporary worker program are not necessary with the current high rate of unemployment.
Recent Statistics Canada figures show that average unemployment rate in Canada is 7.2 per cent. Northern New Brunswick has the fifth-highest regional unemployment rate in the country at 17 per cent.
Hilary Howes, executive director of the Construction Association of New Brunswick, disagrees with the idea of cutting off temporary foreign workers. He said the industry in the province would have a hard time surviving without more recruits in the near future.
Howes said New Brunswick had no more than 100 short-term immigrants working in the construction sector over the past year
"I see in the future in New Brunswick an extreme shortage of skilled workers and I can see future projects on the go where it will be a necessity to bring in temporary foreign workers," he said.
"I agree with Ringuette in that we need to hire locals first, but then bring in foreign workers later. That is pretty much standard practice anyway."
A spokesman for the Population Growth Secretariat said temporary worker regulations already stipulate that employers need to show they made reasonable efforts to hire or train a Canadian for the job.
"In terms of the job-stealing idea, I think it´s very dangerous thing to say," said Brendan Langille, spokesman for the secretariat.
Howes said temporary workers were part of the construction project at Canaport´s liquefied natural gas terminal near Saint John. He said the contractor could not find anyone within a reasonable distance from the job with the right qualifications.
He said that training Canadians isn´t always an option, either.
"The contractor gets awarded the job and then he needs, right then and there, to hit the ground running, to have a workforce readily available to him," Howes said.
"He can´t take the time, a year or two, to complete the training."
A spokeswoman for the Department of Post-Secondary Education, Training and Labour said that more than 90 per cent of New Brunswick´s community college graduates are working in the province within a year.
Ringuette maintained that, at the least, a review of the temporary foreign worker program is needed, believing there are jobs out there Canadians want that are filled by non-permanent residents.
"I´m thinking of all our forest workers in the Miramichi, and our miners in northern New Brunswick that are unemployed right now," she said.
"And on the other hand, we have foreigners galore working in mines in northern Alberta, northern Saskatchewan and northern Manitoba."
[16-02-2009,18:17]
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wannabecanadian |
(in reply to: Politics of Fear)
i´ll ask you all canadian : do you really want to work in a fast food restaurant with minimum payrate when you guys lost your ideal work? i don´t think so!!you guys are too high to go that deep..so who is going to fill that position to run the restaurant bussines then?..one answer : the immigrants are going to be more than happy to take the job over there..that way the immgrants are one among other part who are helping one of your country bussines..
that way, don´t deny the existence of immigrant in your country because they are helping your life too
[17-02-2009,01:02]
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dann |
(in reply to: Politics of Fear)
it would realy suit your racist notions to thing it works that way but it is far more complicated than that. Every work has skills and they will reach one rung up or one rung down to find the work they need. Every rung down displaces that person that hopes to move up. follow my picture? A job is better than NO job. so, you accept 1 rung less. Eventually, the lower rungs get crowded with entry level workers and those being forces to consider lower rung employment.
Do Canadian´s think they are ´too high to go that deep´ well... it would suit your thinking to say it would but I would suggest it is happening every day in every industry where people are losing their job.
do not think for a second that there is a job too low for a Canadian looking for work. All that is is wishful thinking.
[17-02-2009,02:14]
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Sharon |
(in reply to: Politics of Fear)
If the immigrants are legal, why they have to be treated differently?
[17-02-2009,02:16]
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Anonymous |
(in reply to: Politics of Fear)
equal has nothing to do with it. The conversation is about reducing work permits to ensure that those already in Canada that cannot find work have more opportunity to fill those jobs.
the problem we are facing is that Canada is huge. most people don´t want to move. most people want to find work without the upheaval of relocating so Saskatchewan invites foreign workers while other provinces have people but no jobs for them.
both points are valid. simple state of reality and the perspective voiced is dependent on where you are looking from.
[17-02-2009,07:27]
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Sharon |
POLITICS OF FEAR POSTING (in reply to: Politics of Fear)
Why is everyone panicking over New Brunswick´s article? Ontario is the province with the highest population and therefore better economy then the other provinces. Yes, situation are not that great and will not be for a while but blaming the immigrants and "illegal" for the lack of responsability and economy control of our politics won´t make anything better. I´ve been on both sides of the fence and there are good and bad people on all sides. I really hope that all of us join Strengths and not allow our negative side to take control and perhaps start creating in Canada, so called peaceful and Multicultural country, a place where discrimination and racism are the driven force of this great nation. Thanks to all immigrants (because if you look back at your roots (parents,grandparents, grand-grandparents we all are immigrants) made this country a great and prosperous place to live. Let´s stop blaming others and do something to help and support our economy along with our politicians.
[17-02-2009,12:55]
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Joanne |
(in reply to: Politics of Fear)
Joane if evrybody was like you and think like you, Canada will be the best country in the world, but unfortunately there are people in hi class like this senator of New Brunswick, or in the low class like Tim Hortons in this forum whom do not let Canada to be a beater place
[17-02-2009,13:20]
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stavrimacoku |
(in reply to: Politics of Fear)
hear is a story for you.
a poor family has no money. they have 9 children plus 2 parents. This morning, the chickens they own produced 10 eggs. The mother is very nervous about how she can properly feed 11 people with 10 eggs. This is all the food she has in the house.
Her husband is a very kind man and notices a stranger walking down the road outside. He invites this stranger in to his house for lunch.
Now, there is 12 people and only 10 eggs. The husband is very satisfied that he did the right thing and is certain that his wife can work some sort of magic in the kitchen.
The wife is having a nervous breakdown because she cannot adequately feed her family and will likely have a very strong conversation with her husband before bed tonight.
Same house, same people, same problem... different perspective.
geesh, I am starting to talk like Roy!
[17-02-2009,13:50]
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Sharon |
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