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| Subject: US / Canada Border Future - Pt. 2 |
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I never felt anti-Americanism during the time I lived in Canada. Maybe I wasn´t there long enough. But I know that Canadians don´t like the overbearing attitude of superiority that many Americans have. I used to see that attitude often enough during travels in Europe.
As far as Americans not speaking bad about Canadians, many Americans barely know that Canada exists, or else they know very little about it. And why should they, since America is "the greatest country in the world" (a chant repeated all the time here)? The American media often makes reference to the suspiciously "socialist" system there, with guaranteed health care for all, and other questionable ideas. According to others, it´s also the country that refused to go on an invasion war with us, like the weak-kneed French. So it´s not always such a rosy view of Canada by Americans as one would think.
Wannabe, I respectfully don´t know what´s so cool about border control systems, artifacts, stamps, and technology. I used to cross into Eastern Europe during the cold war to visit family there, and I can tell you it wasn´t so great, as all it did was keep people apart and make everyone mad. Although you´re right that the situation then doesn´t directly equate to now, nevertheless border control is only a matter of degree.
RC_DC: If you don´t like it, go home? Hmmmm, sounds a lot like the right-wing "love it or leave it" response when people protested the Vietnam War in the States. That approach doesn´t seem to teach democratic values very well for new immigrants, who are often escaping countries whose regimes tell them the exact same thing. How about, let´s try to change policy if we disagree with it, instead?
[24-05-2009,03:34]
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Richard |
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(in reply to: US / Canada Border Future - Pt. 2)
I always use to hear the allegation of being the "greatest nation" aganist the Amercians. I lived in both north and south for some years and safely can conclude that in reality or in personal level I rarely experienced that in America. From my student life and throughout my professional life None ever showed any disrespect to me just because I´m from one of the poorest nation on the earth. I even could barely talk or understand english conversations in my first few months and still remember how patient and helpful were my teachers and the fellow students. Yes, I criticized many times about American foreign policy or health care system and no one ever was even closer to say me go back or why you are here; even I wasn´t even an American or a permanant resident.
To me, that allegation is 100% valid for Amercian foreign policy, but in personal level it may be totally different.
I´m not saying that I don´t like criticizing Amercia. BUT if someone just finds the bad sides and totally forget about the good sides then it becomes just childish.
[24-05-2009,05:40]
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DC_RC |
(in reply to: US / Canada Border Future - Pt. 2)
WOW Village people
Looking at something from a Village perspective instead of a Global perspective.
Wannabe has finally become Canadian she hates Toronto people. Maybe you should stop e-mails so you can collect postage stamps too.
DC-RC Toronto has Open Doors this weekend go see some heritage. DC did you ever rant and complain????
I can go on about the amount of trade heading south.
I can go on about the amount of energy heading south.
etc. etc. Said it all before.
Stop trade and ..... we get invaded! LOL
In the sixties when Trudeau recognized China and gave the finger to Nixon he proclaimed the necessity of a North South dialogue because with the airplane poorer nations are going to flock north. That the richer countries have to help the poorer ones because the gap was getting to wide.
The country America got attacked because of its foreign policy over years and years of never appearing fair. The US government giving huge amounts to a (perceived enemy) while others a kilometer away have not worked in a decade due to the guy next to them with US greenbacks falling out of his pockets. The people of America did not get attacked they just happened to be in the way.
Now Canadian´s are in the way because of what happened eight years ago. Lets erect a wal America will be safer.
Wait until American´s can not get back into their own country without a passport and end up sleeping in Wannabee´s Village.
Canadians own Florida and Arizona and Wannabe most drive down and many get killed on their way. Lets keep a 60 plus couple waiting for in excess of three hours to drive across the border to visit Florida or shop at TARGET LOL
Target needs to be protected from Terrorist that are Canadian Senior Citizens.
I will never forget arriving in Copenhagen, Denmark by air and just holding up my Canadian Passport got me waived through. I SO WANTED MY STAMP!
Then I rented a car and drove from one country to the next always getting waived through and was so happy I was not stopped. Denmark was not part of the Schengen agreement and I doubt the border agent could care less about Canadian´s visiting Denmark.
Many people living in Ontario work in the States every single day or vice versa. Too many trucking companies can´t find drivers let alone ones that do not require a Visa to enter the States.
Open the borders up between the two countries.
The US coast line alone is too big to be properly protected anyways.
Big brother knows too much about every citizen now so lets put little micro chips under our skin to let big brother know that we only like white, blue eyed blonds.
Hey maybe we can get the perfect people to breed with other perfect people.
Roy
www.cvimmigration.com
[24-05-2009,08:42]
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Roy |
(in reply to: US / Canada Border Future - Pt. 2)
Roy,
I´ll be the victim of the Amercian wall before you or Sharon you know that very well because of my name bearing my religious identiy. Still, I can´t help saying that they deserve their right to make it in their way. If I don´t like their interogation then I wouldn´t go there. Plain & simple. Yes, it may affect some problems for the folks who need to travel frequently. I know that there is a technology that would come in the near future which will allow you to cross the border with min´m waiting.
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/wireless/data/2005-01-25-border-crossing-rfid_x.htm
Yes we saw that in this weekend there are some good cultural programs, I see that in our Markham area Hghy´7 will be closed in some time on monday. We are tired driving 1450 miles and hence can´t enjoy this.
About ranting, Toronto is not the type of city we would like to settle, our taste is different. We better prefer London or Guelph. For the same reason we would never settle in NY or LA. If it is ranting then it is. However to me it is my freedom of expresion.
[24-05-2009,11:49]
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DC_RC |
(in reply to: US / Canada Border Future - Pt. 2)
TO DC_RC (cola)
you said: If you don?t like it, go home?
what a sense of Democracy you have .that means ,if your opinion is not like mine you have to leave
hahahahhahhahahahahahahhahahahaha who you think you are ?
hahhahahhh
i don t think DC-RC you are getting what the democracy and freedom of opinion means .
I TELL YOU THAT IF YOU ARE NOT HAPPY WITH PEOPLE EXPRESSING SECONDE OPINION..GUESS YOU ARE NOT READY FOR CANADA.
pffffff
[24-05-2009,13:27]
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QC4ever |
(in reply to: US / Canada Border Future - Pt. 2)
QC4ever,
That comment I made just a kind of retaliation you may assume.
As, earlier I was engaged in a debate of the immigrant´s most serious problem in Canada; that is job. And unfortunately most of the time I ended up hearing....If you don´t like here then go home....why rant or complain....Canada doesn´t force you to be here....Most likely you weren´t here at that time.
Now, in the same logic if anyone complains about the strict US border policy then the same thing can be said and that should be the end of the story. If you don´t like their policy.....
[24-05-2009,14:21]
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DC_RC |
(in reply to: US / Canada Border Future - Pt. 2)
QC4ever,
I think what DC is saying is that you can´t impose your will on other people´s laws and rules. Of course if you are american then you have a say in american laws. Same if you are Canadian and not happy with a Canadian law you are free to express your views if not happy.
When you go on somebody´s turf you play by their rules. End of story.
[24-05-2009,14:28]
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Landed |
(in reply to: US / Canada Border Future - Pt. 2)
There is not a hope in hell of fully securing all of the US borders - they are simply too big and there is not enough credit out there to borrow sufficient funds to errect walls and cameras and put guards everywhere.
I doubt we will see more bombings in the future. Fear is doing a much better job of destroying the country through the economy. What is being spent on border security would buy a lot of healthcare or education or lowcost housing.
Somehow the need for a passport is construed in the same way as telling your best friend they have to call first before they stop by for coffee - even though you have been dropping in unannounced for years. There are people out there that are simply saying fine... I will stay home. That sentiment is happening on both sides of the border which may seem silly but it is happening none the less.
My Mom´s senior group wanted to take a bus trip to LaConnor to see the Tulip Festival. Half the folks did not have passports and were not about to pay $75 just to cross the border (they have been doing so for 60 years without a problem). So the trip got cancelled and LaConnor lost out on some tourist business.
It is going to take a long time for those who have lived with an open border to not feel a little indignant.
[24-05-2009,14:32]
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Sharon |
(in reply to: US / Canada Border Future - Pt. 2)
Dear Dc
THE immigrant work=they steeallll jobs
the immigrants on the walfare =they steealll tax
The immigrants come = stay home or go home
the immigrants leave= they come just to get health care and passport and leave us..(ingratitude)
those statements above Have nothing to do with the country Policy...
[24-05-2009,14:34]
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QC4ever |
(in reply to: US / Canada Border Future - Pt. 2)
Iam A 10000PR cent A supporter of respecting countries laws ,cultures and way of life..no dubt about it
commenting and expressing opinion is an act of democracy
its OK i give up loll
thanks guys
[24-05-2009,14:39]
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QC4ever |
(in reply to: US / Canada Border Future - Pt. 2)
I agree, we should all be able to comment and express opinion. That´s why we are here in the first place.
[24-05-2009,15:10]
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Landed |
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