Hesitant to start DOCTOR #3

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Subject: Hesitant to start DOCTOR #3
  Hesitant because sharon will fight with vitirolli again, or vice versa.

sharon was happy that the MONOPOLY policy is so good. That is to make sure doctors are up to the Canadian Standard. What is the Canadian standard shron? is Canadian standard higher or lower or equal to CUBA´ Health system?
My cousin, who is a specialist and who went back with his wife (Cnd nurse) using one way ticket, is European (English). Do you suggest he was not up to the Cnd Standard?
I still remember wannabecanadain´ post regarding the health system. Her family doctor was a drug dealer or convicted with drugs somehow, as I remember. We did not have that drugged docs in Europe.

Do you know that huge areas in Canada are not covered properly by health care or doctors. This is even worse than places like India or poor Cuba?
Do you know: my cousins´s wife (the Cnd nurse), was working as volunteer for Inuits in Nunavut. There were no docs there at all. She used to call her fiance (husband now) in England for medical advice to the children under her care in Nunavut. This is because the nearest advice she could get was from Winnipeg. She found it easier to call England and get reliable advice.

Cameron Duncan
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I am not suggesting the system is right... I am simply telling you how it is and who has the power.

Obviously, the College has the government by the short and curlies... so what is your suggestion? For the moment, it is what it is. Our friendly doctor asked a question. I am telling him to not hold out a lot of hope that this is going to go as he planned any time in the near future- right or wrong.

shoot me.

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You did not answer me: what is the Canadian standard?
Cameron Duncan
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Canadian standard is high my a**. My friend who was studying in Vancouver had a problem with her eyes. Canadian doctors amazingly couldn´t find the problem. She returned and met with an eye specialist in here. One appointment was enough to solve it and voila.... it was cured in no time. I am not saying which country doctors are better, but doctors are doctors, in any country anywhere, there are good and not-so-good doctors, don´t be stereotype in judging.

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I have to jump in with a comment on this. Unlike Europe and Cuba, Canada is a country of vast distances with vast areas that are sparsely populated. It is not only not analogous, but grossly unfair to compare delivery of health care between these densely populated small countries and Canada.

Secondly, Canada has long ago recognized the problem. No country would have the resources nor would it make sense to build hospitals next to every remote village. Instead, Canada has invested heavily in a very effective telehealth system, developing a sophisticated computer network where remote peoples like the Nunavut have electronic access to the best medical supervision available. Remote video diagnosis and medical teleconferencing determine when any air lift order to appropriate medical facilities is needed. All this is at no charge to the remote and native peoples who are all automatically covered by the health care system at no charge (as are all permanent residents and citizens).

So rather than criticize the Canadian health care system, one should really investigate and research how it reallly works well for most people in this country.

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but the problem still remains for our foreign trained doctor that may or may not have enough english to give proper instructions to a nurse or anesthesiologist, who may or may not have adequate training to pass Canadian exams. Until we know for sure, I am not interesting in this foreign trained doctor treating my mother or my child.

THAT is the problem for our friend. He has to prove himself and that exercise takes a long time. Right or wrong is not part of the conversation.

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Richard & sharon

My points are:
1) We know and accept the geography and demography of Canada and we accept and appreciate.
2) But to claim high standrad/ while you are not of that level is wrong. To claim superiority is wrong
3) There is nothing wrong when you admit to yourself that there is a defect in the system somewhere. The interest of the country is to FIX the defect and humble yourself towards it.
4) there is a problem here, when you allow doctors to immigrate but you do not have a program for them. the USA is opposite to Canada in this matter.
5) there is no way you can convince anyone that telecommunications, sophisticated computer software etc etc will be substitute to real service. a province without a doctor is a shamble.
6) and yes I have come across malpractice here which is a shame compared to a system in poor country, like Cuba.

It is MONOPOLY...that is all

Cameron Duncan
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To make you feel better - the Canadian medical system sucks, the standards are terrible and in spite of both, the situation for accreditation of foreign trained doctors is rigorous, expensive and takes a long time.

do you feel better now. We have been fixing it, we are continuing to fix it and when your countries medical system is perfect - come and show us how. We´d love to hear it. Reality is, every system has its problems.

Just so we are clear - the UK is ranked by the WHO at #17, Canada is #30 and the US is #37.


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Monopolies are not inherently bad. Utilities like water, sewer, electricity, natural gas, waste disposal, along with highway and infrastructure development and support are generally government monopolies that work.

Competition in health care in the U.S. has evolved into a complicated system of exclusion-managed insurance schemes based on who has access to money. Pre-existing conditions, copays, coinsurance, deductibles, denials of service based infractions in reporting medical history are examples of that vaunted "competitive" system.

To have everyone covered is in itself a superior system, in my opinion. Even in Europe, this is often no longer the case, leaving the unemployed to fend for themselves. In the U.S., it´s estimated that 25,000 people die per year because they can´t afford routine medical services that would have prevented advancement of various diseases.

I do agree with you that Cuba has a very good health care system universally accessible to all for a country with limited resources. But it is a monopoly, and if you´d be consistent, you wouldn´t forget to mention that.

Vitorelli (in reply to: Hesitant to start DOCTOR #3)
Thank you Sharon for accepting reality.
I just have to make one single point that I have generally found in Canada( I have explored every main province):
1.- Arrogance
2.- Lack of humbleness in accepting what is wrong.
3.-Average canadian has a big of delusion and does not like to deal with reality.

They hate when we speak with facts , they do not like when we as immigrants break their bubble. All what they can say is: If you do not like it... GO HOME!!
Well that does not sound very civilized . I must recognize that there are some extraordinary canadian people ( to those I beg you a pardon for my generalizations).
To be honest, I do not think that what annoys people is the lack of efficiency at many levels.
What really bothers people is the arrogant attitude to recognize how things really are. How you guys sell yourselves to the world and what you really are is very different. Then you pin point fingers on American people. for being they way they are.... Hello!! You are not that different to say the least.

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An autopilot flying an aircraft is better than the telemedicine. I would enable even foreign trained doctors to a basic standard and send them to such reomote places as volunteers or practicing doctors rather than relying on telemidicine.

I don´t agree that all the immigrant doctors should be given every right to be a doctor in any new or different country on the first day. I don´t think that an outstanding or well doing doctor would leave any country to lead an uncertain career as an immigrant in Canada.

But if Canada is really lacking the doctors, already finds someone enough qualified to immigrate as doctors during immigration process, then why not to further train them? Why should one make those doctors an amusement tool by dumping and seeing them in the front right seat of the taxis??

I don´t think the system will change itself so fast in a country run by BA and BComs! Elect the leader on the basis of competence rather than other stuffs (....) or how sweet they speak!