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Detaining Refugee Claimants longer is so illogical.
In the Canadian Crimminal Code the Law states section 348 that you can be sentenced to prison for LIFE!
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/C-46/page-6.html#anchorbo-ga:l_IX-gb:s_348
Yeah how many sneak theives got sentenced to LIFE in prison for doing a B&E in your neighborhood?
Longer detention will only HURT THE TAXPAYER in the pocket book more than anyone else other than some cockoroach invested hotel owner who could never rent a room if his life depended on it.
Like how many ships have there been. A couple on the west coast and one or maybe two on the east coast, LOL Big Reason to change the law and deprive asylum seekers their liberty.
The Jews in the Voyage of the DAM stopped at many countries and the last was Canada off NFLD before they were returned to Germany and the gas chambers.
Canada got themselves into this situation because WE as a country approve 42% of all refugee claimants from all countries.
Could you imagine a Casino that allows 42% of all players to win. Only in Ottawa (La La Land).
http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Extending+detention+time+deter+refugees+critics/3559882/story.html
http://www.voanews.com/english/news/asia/Vancouver-Activists-Rally-in-Support-of-Tamil-Refugees-VOA-News-103519394.html
I can not see the logic in this but I´m sure a Red Neck somewhere will.
Roy
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[22-09-2010,19:20]
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Roy |
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Lonely guy is talking to himself...has no life nothing to do except for cutting and pasting and talking to himself!!! Business sucks I guess for sure will go bankrupt soon !!!Hope the god gives you something better instead of coming here and talking to yourself...Dont you see that nobody gives a shit about your posts? So why do you still talk to yourself...?
[22-09-2010,23:44]
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jh |
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jh
hush.sh shh,,shush
sharon will come here soon and backfire on you.
[22-09-2010,23:51]
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Almond salmon |
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JH
Who is the lonely one?
Have you been posting here?
Have you been answering posts here?
But your here being negative.
Well at least I gave you something to whine about.
Oh I get it your a Conservative and you are trying to take attention away from an illogical political stand. If others are selling newspapers about the subject then others must care.
The issue is deprevation of liberty, in case you missed that point.
Roy
cvimmigration.com
[23-09-2010,07:25]
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Roy |
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jh
The migrants have been detained for more than five weeks at B.C. detention centres as immigration officials try to determine their identities. They arrived here on Aug. 13 on MV Sun Sea.
Meanwhile, a plan by Immigration Minister Jason Kenney to deter the mass smuggling of migrants by detaining them for longer periods was rejected on Wednesday.
http://www.torontosun.com/news/torontoandgta/2010/09/22/15442236.html
Again today in the paper.
Roy
cvimmigration.com
[23-09-2010,07:35]
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Roy |
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So what is the alternative?
Any person that arrives illegaly with out proper identification should be released after they tell us their name, date and place of birth during the inspection?
That would make things safer.
As much as you hate it, you still don´t have all the facts other than little articles in the newpaper written by....... no one relevant... really.
[23-09-2010,11:32]
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DocD |
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Roy, you have to admit that the lenses you look through are slightly tinted. Yes, someone needs to speak up for the migrants but there has to be some push back towards the wholesale mis-use of our laws and compassion. The individual rights vs. the integrity of the system is the issue and there is valid arguments for both sides.
I fear your perspective would bring chaos to the immigration system.
[23-09-2010,11:40]
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Sharon |
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DocD & Sharon
I am opposed to the majority of the Refugee Process as it currently sits in Canada. Allowing 42% of all claimants from ALL countries is so illogical. Like I said imagine a Casino were 42% of the Players left with more money then they arrived with.
Now what I am focusing on is why it takes so long to establish ones identity when CBSA knew in advance the ship was coming. What we are talking about is FIVE WEEKS of detention.
Now I know DocD is from Smallsville but in Toronto when I submit an identity document it takes two or three days to establish the document as genuine then I get a call to schedule an EARLY detention review if they had already had a detention review.
This process is always completed quickly. Always!
Not one asylum seeker is released if they can not establish their identity at any Port of Entry, DocD
Come on DocD they tell their name and are released. Like you have all the facts.
The facts are almost 90% of Tamil Refugee Claimants are approved. That not one refugee claimant has ever had their approved status vacated after receiving Protected Persons Status!
Wait til you two get locked up for NO LOGICAL REASON and then see how you view things.
I believe in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms where it says EVERYONE IN CANADA is to be treated equally. It does not say a Visitor from Spain can be assaulted and detained by the police for no reason and a Visitor from Ireland is to receive $1,000.00 for smiling.
Roy
cvimmigration.com
[23-09-2010,15:10]
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Roy |
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Quote"Not one asylum seeker is released if they can not establish their identity at any Port of Entry, DocD
Come on DocD they tell their name and are released. Like you have all the facts".
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Roy,
No I don´t have all the facts, never said I did. I am not in this case but I sure do understand the reasoning behind it.
And YES, there is a reason to believe that they may or may not be a danger to the public. They arrived ILLEGALY with very little documents. There is no argument there, it is a fact.
You may know the "immigration" portion of things outland or inland, but border crossing regulations.. trust me I will eat you alive on that.
What is so ilogical? Was a list sent 5 weeks ago to CBSA so the agency can prepare for the arrival of the migrants?
The answer is NO. The ship was bound to Canada or Washington.
As soon as their ID is verified they will be released and Immigration will take it from there. Until then CBSA is in charge.
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Quote "I believe in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms where it says EVERYONE IN CANADA is to be treated equally. It does not say a Visitor from Spain can be assaulted and detained by the police for no reason and a Visitor from Ireland is to receive $1,000.00 for smiling".
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What that has to do with the price of tea in China?
[23-09-2010,15:43]
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DocD |
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You love to copy and paste! Doc
There are three reasons for detention, Identity, Danger and Unlikely to Appear.
They are all being held for Identity. When CBSA Officer claims a person is a Danger to the Public they have to establish, WHY!
Now all countries have fraudulent documents so that is why CBSA have trained staff in all major centres trained in proving documents are genuine. It just does not take five weeks.
Just because someone is in charge does not over rule the Charter or Rights and Freedoms. (key words RIGHTS & FREEDOM)
Roy
cvimmigration.com
[23-09-2010,17:18]
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Roy |
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Copy and Paste, the best invention after the sliced bread.
Keyword "Identity" A CBSA officer can claim a person is a danger to the public due to insufficient documentation to prove his/her "Identity" hence a background check can not be obtained.
There you go!
Their rights have not been over ruled, they are under investigation. Plain and simple. We are not going to agree with this.
And yes it can take over 5 weeks and/or more.
I´m off until Monday! So needless to say.
Bye
[23-09-2010,18:13]
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DocD |
