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To All
The Canadian Government and the Immigration Minister Jason Kenny are playing politics with the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. I have never seen more vote getting antics then protrayed by our current MINORITY government before.
WOW mandatory prison sentences for those convicted of human smuggling of UP TO 10 YEARS IN PRISON! LOL LOL
Break and Enter a house in Canada with the intent to steal something and you can get 25 years in prison. So the government wants to punish the smugglers, LOL LOL LOL
But smuggle 49 people and your SAFE!
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/10/20/canada-human-smuggling-legislation-.html
Now these propossed changes go MUCH further!
Ottawa plans to create a new class of asylum-seeker—the “mass arrival”—with tough new detention rules to deter human smugglers. UP TO TEN YEARS THAT IS LAUGHABLE
SO THE MINISTER OF IMMIGRATION AND NO ONE ELSE DECIDES WHAT IS AND WHAT ISN´T A MASS ARRIVAL!. hmmmm
The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms says EVERYONE in Canada unless the Minister of Immigration says your not a person as per the Charter! Who made Jason Kenny GOD????
So you can be detained for a year to establish your identity if your that magical number.
Pay a smuggler to get you to Canada by plane to make a Refugee claim and your OKAY!
Pay a smuggler to get you to Canada by boat to make a Refugee claim and your thrown into Jail and Jason Kenny holds the key to your cell! NOT OKAY!
Now which one is more likely to be found a Protected Person by proving they are a Refugee is not the issue it is how you arrived.
You don´t have big bucks you get on the ship and put in a container for two months with no toilet.
You got big bucks so your smuggler buys you a Canadian Visitor Visa on a bogus passport from a Canadian Visa Post employee and your better than others. Well at least you arrive faster and are not detained like others.
Everyone (IN) Canada are to be treated equally.
Give them both a hearing and if they are genuine refugees let them stay, if not remove them, promptly!
Roy
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[21-10-2010,07:29]
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Roy |
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many would suggest it is a step in the right direction - not necessarily the final solution.
Sounds like they are trying to stop a boat from leaving harbor on the other side of the world that is destined for Vancouver with a boat load of refugees
[21-10-2010,13:55]
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Sharon |
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Yes they are stopping a boat leaving the harbor and one man is already dead from their actions.
Violating the Charter of Rights and Freedoms is a step in the right direction, NOPE not in my Canada!
Roy
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[21-10-2010,14:56]
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Roy |
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it is terrible that someone dies as a result of greedy people make promises that they can´t deliver on and exploiting the vulnerable.
Sorry Roy, if we follow your logic, you would be out of business as Canada would simply open its doors and create a free for all... after all, anything else would be violating the worlds Charter Rights and Freedoms. Who needs immigration if you can simply show up at will.
[21-10-2010,15:12]
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Sharon |
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42% of refugee claimants from all countries have been approved every year for the last ten years at least.
The barn door has been open for years. Come on in Ya All!
Why do you think the ships are now coming.
90% of Tamil refugees are approved. 90% yet the smugglers get a tap on their bottom and the claimants get thrown in jail upon arrival.
Does not seem fair to me.
Roy
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[21-10-2010,17:43]
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Roy |
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The barn door has been open for years?
Come on!
Ok, let say 42% of refugees are approved (which is not correct btw) but let´s go with that.
That only means that 58% are refused. More than half of the applicants are REFUSED. Barn open? Think again.
So! Someone shows up at the inspection booth, with insufficient documentation to prove their identity and you think that it is wrong that CBSA puts this person in detention until we can verify his/her identity?
Whether takes a week or a year.
What is fair? Let them free and tell them to come back in a week or two?
YA right!
There are a few things about the new up coming regulations that I don´t like, I have to agree with that. But equal rights don´t mean "Special Rights".
Canadians have the right to live in peace and our borders have to be protected. Individuals that attempt to cross our borders have to be inspected by Customs and Immigration PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
And part of the inspection process is to determine his or her identidy.
Roy, there is way more than what you think.
As much as you hate it, it is not against the Charter.
Let me share with you something that not many people experience every day.
Someone comes over for inspection and you look in their eyes for let´s say 4 seconds without blinking and you ask an old lady who looks as a sweet grandma.
What is the purpose of your visit today? In the mean time you are sweeping the her passport and visa in the band reader.
And then SURPRISE, visa registration number UNKNWON pops up in the computer.
You ask for another piece of ID and NOTHING.
(At this time this person is using fradulent documentation to enter Canada and lying to a Federal Officer)
Then you run a Passport verification and then... it fails miserably.
What is the fair thing to do? BTW then after she realizes that she is in a pickel she presents her self as a person in need of protection.
OK OK...... You know what happens from there.
Now the same scenario with an individual who is only 22 yrs old and doesn´t look as a sweet grandma.
You see, for some people it would be fair or unfair to treat grandma differently than the 22 yr old kid.
How the hell do you apply the Charter here?
The CCRF has NOTHING TO DO with this entire situation, you are talking about. Their rights are not violated, these individuals (in some cases) need to be investigated before they can be released.
PERIOD!
Again, there are a couple of things I personally don´t like about them and just wait it is going to get worse.
[21-10-2010,18:44]
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DocD |
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DocD
Roll your collar up your (RED NECK) is showing.
The refugee board accepted 85.5 per cent of Sri Lankans claiming refugee status in Canada during the first six months of 2010 — a rate that is on the high end among countries.
THEN YOU SAY IT IS SO NECESSARY TO DETAIN TAMIL´S BECAUSE THEY CAME BY A SHIP, LOL LOL LOL WHERE ARE YOUR NUMBERS?
Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/2010/09/27/f-migrant-refugee-numbers.html#ixzz1354PiUm8
Todays
National Post
One expert estimated 90% of the 33,000 people who made refugee claims last year were helped by people smugglers — a flood compared to the trickle of 600 or so coming by boat.
Even after the passage into law of Mr. Kenney’s refugee system reforms, which are aimed at speeding up the hearing process and removing bogus claimants more quickly, Canada retains the world’s most bountiful haven for asylum seekers.
*********Our 50% acceptance rate is three times that of most of other developed countries. Refugees are set up in a hotel, entitled to work and handed a welfare check. The onus is on the government to prove why refugees should be denied entry, rather than on the individual to prove why they should be allowed to stay.
DETENTION COSTS ARE VERY CLOSE TO TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS A DAY IN TORONTO, VANCOUVER AND MONTREAL WOULD YOU LIKE TO CHALLENGE THOSE NUMBERS????
****42% or 50% acceptance rate of Refugee Claimants is the problem and why refugee´s arrive.
I know a Certified Immigration Consultant who claimed that the acceptance rate was so high because somebody needed a job on Monday. She/He got into trouble for that comment.
WAS IT THE TRUTH????
Locking up people who have a far better chance than average of being accepted as convention refugees just because of the way they arrived is sooooo illogical way to correct the actual problem it is soooo laughable it is not funny.
Treating others differently is against the Charter.
Roy
cvimmigration.com
[22-10-2010,07:41]
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Roy |
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I can only tell you what is going to be enforced.
If you still don´t like it, add more cheese to your wine.
You keep refering to the "Charter", this has nothing to do with the price of tea in China.
On a personal note, if we go with your train of thought, why bother with Customs and Immigration. Let´s open the borders wide open and whoever is not authorized to enter the country, should go on their own free will and accord to the Immigration office and "register" I mean, any cross examination to determine inadmissibility would be agains "The Charter" according to you.
[22-10-2010,14:06]
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DocD |
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DocD
I go out of my way not to represent clients making spurious Refugee Claims.
Too many make spurious claims two or three years after arriving.
I agree one MUST establish identity.
My point was and still is that if you arrive by plane or ship establish your identity, PERIOD!
Just do not detain those arriving by ship longer then those arriving by plane. Since ther both in Canada they are BOTH covered by the sections of the Charter when it says EVERYONE IN CANADA MUST BE TREATED EQUALLY!
Punish the ones organizing the smuggling not the Captain and the crew and definately not the refugee claimants.
Roy
cvimmigration.com
[22-10-2010,18:34]
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Roy |
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I will be at Pearson Intl for a few days next week. How far you from PIA?
[22-10-2010,19:26]
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DocD |
Thread (in reply to: Smuggling New Laws)
Closed for the weekend.
[22-10-2010,22:39]
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Anonymous |
