Fair Immigration Policy #4

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Subject: Fair Immigration Policy #4
  Sharon. You are clueless. What are you doing here. You don´t have a horse in this race it seems. You have other issues with the government like beds for you mother. Why don´t you bark up that tree. You may get some support. Why are you here picking on immigrants. As for you comment yes maybe I will sue the government. Yes I think i would win. Yes I think it will cost them.

Your second point about a refund. It would be easier just to say no more applications at this time. Why have someone go through all the work paying thousands to a lawyer to help with the forms and then have them sent back and offer a refund. For what,the fee or also your time and legal fees. IF YOU DON´T PLAN ON FULFILLING YOUR END DON´T EVEN TAKE THE APPLICATION. ITS PRETTY SIMPLE.
"Given the scope of family class quotas, and where parent fit into the priority within that class, there is obviously far to much flex in the numbers been processed each year." Again you have no clue.
You probably think immigrants shouldn´t vote either because they do not agree with you.Nor do they generally agree with this conservative government.Remember when the separatists lost in Quebec, BQ blamed the ethnic vote. Came in hand there wouldn´t you say. Hopefully Harper can say the same. If we change the way elections are won we may some day get a party that represents the people not the special interest groups. First past the pole does not work.A party that represents less than 40% should not run the country let alone represent the interest of the other 60%.

[28-04-2011,13:04]
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Joe
(in reply to: Fair Immigration Policy #4)
You can try to hold the government accountable for the lengthy processing time lines. I´m not sure a law suit will even get off the ground. However it makes sense to hold them accountable for this because they have control over it.

However I don´t see how you can hold the government accountable for the thousands you dropped on a lawyer. That was a personal choice (therefore a personal risk). Most people submit their paperwork without legal assistance. The fact you chose to pay more was your decision.

I think throwing in the "thousands on lawyers" bit weakens your argument. Not taking sides here. Just pointing out a mixed message...

[28-04-2011,13:22]
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Anonymous
(in reply to: Fair Immigration Policy #4)

Calling people clueless for expressing their opinion is not a good thing to do in a topic like this. Shame on you.

A party that promisses to speed up the applications with the current back log would be nothing but a dream. The current infrastructure of our system cannot support 8% of the parents wanting to immigrate to Canada based on the 220,000 immigrants that arrive every year in a period of 10 years... do the math.

Fixing the way how applications are handled and processed is one thing, preparing the house for all the people who wants to move in, it is a problem well beyond CIC.

The time lines are off, it needs to be fixed, there is no question about that. At the same time though people are free to withdraw their application, move somewhere else and see if the process is even there and if so check if it moves in an acceptable timeline.

Keep in mind though, the parenting application program can be cancelled or put on hold as they did with the family stream program for Alberta.

Due to a backlog is currently cancelled until further notice.

Family reunification is defined as immediate family i.e spouse and children.

People are upset because is taking so long..agreed. Solutions?
Most people won´t like the solution of the problem.


[28-04-2011,14:05]
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DocD
(in reply to: Fair Immigration Policy #4)
DocD, you said it perfectly - thank you.


[28-04-2011,15:34]
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Sharon
(in reply to: Fair Immigration Policy #4)
DocD
Looks like you are also clueless.
When you lay out an offer on a government web site under the heading sponsor your parents and post the expected wait time. You should be obligated to fulfill your state timeline. The Tories should have removed that section once they got elected not pretend they are still processing applications. As it is people arrange their lives around that you should be held accountable. No if and and buts. I take it you work at CIC. And you are following orders. But that is no excuse for a poorly managed system. It a con game and it is screwing with peoples lives. How I run my life is my business and if the one thing I should trust, it is our government. When you lose trust in the government you have problems. When I applied it was 22 months for Step 1. 43 months later I am still not sure if and when they will get to my application. This is sick and dishonest and they should be held accountable. Hopefully they will on Monday. And immigrant that listens to the BS Jason Kenney is spewing should look at the facts not his rhetoric. Can you believe they are going after the immigrant vote. LOL

[28-04-2011,16:10]
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Joe
(in reply to: Fair Immigration Policy #4)
Shame on me?
Look in the mirror. If you sell me a car don´t show up with a horse and buggy. You have no clue what you are talking about. I am all for opinion but stating that you are doing one thing and you do something else has nothing to do with opinion. What you are effectively saying is the government has the right to mislead people and do whatever they want and should not be held accountable period. You can simply state that you have no problem if the government lies fails to live up to its obligations. That is your opinion. You are entitled to it. But if you want to discuss whether the government should live up to its obligations it clearly hasn´t. That in not even up for dispute as the facts speak for themselves.
Solution Get rid of the sponsorship program. Much better than false hopes and making adjustments to your life while you wait for a day that never comes. I couldn´t care less. When the country goes looking for engineers out of India or China and you tell them there is no sponsorship program we will see if they bite. When these Canadian companies take their jobs to India or China don´t complain.

[28-04-2011,16:24]
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Joe
(in reply to: Fair Immigration Policy #4)
go back and read the CIC website - it clearly suggests that processing times are historic not future.

It is interesting that you are so quick to label everyone around you as clueless. You seem to be pretty good at rhetoric yourself.

[28-04-2011,16:25]
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Sharon
(in reply to: Fair Immigration Policy #4)
Sharon and DocD two pees in the same pod. you can keep high five-ing each other
[28-04-2011,16:26]
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Joe
(in reply to: Fair Immigration Policy #4)
Joe,

You said "When you lay out an offer on a government web site under the heading sponsor your parents and post the expected wait time. You should be obligated to fulfill your state timeline."

Says who?

Obigated? Show me WHERE in the law does it say that the federal government is "obligated" to fulfill a "historic" time line?

Feel free to take the federal government to court based on a failure to fullfil a "historic" time line posted in their website.

Next time that you are crossing the border and wait in line for 20 minutes, you can sue CBSA since in the website may say that, that particular POE waiting time should be 10 minutes and had to wait 20.

OR let´s sue Canada post too. I was supposed to get a package in 3 days and it took 7 days instead. It is not what it was advertised in their website.


[28-04-2011,17:18]
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DocD
(in reply to: Fair Immigration Policy #4)
Well versed in this subject aren´t you.
"Please consult Application Processing Times for information about how long it may take to process your application."
"Processing Times: Family Sponsorship
This information is updated weekly (step 1) and quarterly (step 2) and shows the time it takes to process an application after we receive a complete application package.
There are two steps in processing family sponsorship applications. In order to know the total approximate time it may take for your application to be processed, ADD the time in step 1 to the time in step 2 (the two steps are consecutive)."
I am not a mind reader.Now any court on the planet would say the plus or minus 10% of stated times should be acceptable. 150% off is clearly not. Get back to work on the campaign. You only have a few days left.

[28-04-2011,17:20]
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Joe
(in reply to: Fair Immigration Policy #4)
DocD
You obviously do what you do because you are too damn stupid to do anything else. What are you doing on a public forum on my tax dollars. If you do work at CIC maybe that is why it takes forever. You guys are all chatting on forums when you should be working. WHERE DOES IT SAY HISTORIC. Maybe Sharron works down the hall. I bet she also works at CIC and this is what we get for our tax dollars. Maybe if you worked rather than surf the web we may be able to afford a better health system. Oh wait federal employees don´t like being told what to do. You want productivity to go up in the federal government get rid of internet access.

[28-04-2011,17:27]
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Joe