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What do you guys think?
When CSIC was being created certain Consultants came out with suggestions that were implemented.
Now that the proposed regulator ICCRC should be in place this summer some Consultants are suggesting that NO NEW members to ICCRC should be allowed to join unless they have a University degree so we can be compared to Lawyers!
Does a University degree make you more ethical?
Does a University degree make you a better advocate?
I want Consultants to be better advocates and more ethical not to (pretend) to be a Lawyer!
On Friday I attended at the Immigration Appeal Division for a Permanent Resident who had been ordered deported. Every Counsel and client was there because the IAD and Toronto Hearings had reached a joint recommendation to STAY the deportation orders for a period of time. All you do is go in and the length of the stay is announced and questions are asked of counsel if your client is aware of the conditions.
One Lawyer immediately goes up front and puts all his clients papers all over the desk where everyone´s client is supposed to sit then he sits in the clients chair ready to argue some point when everything has already been agreed to.
Can you imagine after being deported that you´re allowed to stay in Canada as long as you keep the peace, etc and you hire a Lawyer that wants to argue the case at a full hearing and have the deportation order upheld.
I don´t want to pretend to be a Lawyer. I think teaching NEW Consultants (HOW TO) advocate better is far more important then showing off their nice offices and fancy suits.
Roy
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[26-06-2011,10:43]
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Roy |
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(in reply to: New Regulatory Body Ideas - ICCRC)
in these situations, I always try and step back and ask - what exactly are they trying to accomplish. The motive might be good but the method of getting there might stink.
I suspect they are wanting to raise the calibre of the industry and weed out the ´community consultant´ that is perhaps less than capable?
However, as you and I both know, a university degree does not trump experience, or ethics.
So, perhaps they need some ideas of how to get this done without being so arbitrary.
[26-06-2011,13:48]
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Sharon |
(in reply to: New Regulatory Body Ideas - ICCRC)
dhfhd, how did you get to be so smart?
[27-06-2011,01:31]
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Sharon |
(in reply to: New Regulatory Body Ideas - ICCRC)
Dhfhd smart LOL
Oh you were joking!
dhfhd
Lawyers look through their Law Books, LOL
Who looks at a Law book everything is on line. The IRPA, IRPR the Operational Manuals, Federal Court Decisions, etc..
So a piece of paper makes you a better advocate. You´re so funny! You make my day with your ignorant comments.
Did you not read my site I was educated by Citizenship and Immigration Canada - DAH A dumb uneducated consultant who wins & wins & wins.
Roy
cvimmigration.com
[27-06-2011,11:01]
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Roy |
(in reply to: New Regulatory Body Ideas - ICCRC)
I am not sure if a "Lawyer" degree is the solution.
Laws normally are created because of the odd person right?
I don´t know why they don´t do it in the same manner than most professions are regulated.
For instance....An engineer is not an engineer when if comes out of University. A grad comes out school with an engineering degree which is not the same thing.
After that he/she has to work under the supervision of a professional engineer and after several projects and countless hours finally gets a Professional designation.
What I think is that consultants should work under the supervision of a "CSIC" professional and after a proven record then may become a full member.
It is sad to see a person who hires a lawyer or a "consultant" and gets eaten alive in a hearing with either IRB/CIC/CBSA due to a lack of knowledge about the act. It happens more often than you think.
[27-06-2011,11:59]
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DocD |
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The idea is grand DocD but most Consultants don´t have enough work to keep anyone newbie busy. Most Consultants last two years before throwing in the towel.
No one can teach you from a book how to prepare a client for a Spousal Appeal because each client is different.
Each record of the interview for the appeal is different and not unless your getting appeal after appeal from the same Visa Post and the same Officer will the record appear similar.
Roy
cvimmigration.com
[27-06-2011,20:43]
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Roy |
(in reply to: New Regulatory Body Ideas - ICCRC)
Well, that would be a problem between the consultant and his/her business decisions. The fact is that as a paid private service to a client that involves a knowledge about the federal law regarding Customs and Immigration I firmly believe that it has to be regulated.
Whether is with a degree or an amount of experience. Ethics etc it is something that it should monitored by the regulating body, these things aren´t taught in school as we know but there is a start.
There are way too many cases where a person gets in so much trouble due to a mouthy consultant or even worse a client in a vulnerable position is scammed by his/her "consultant".
It is starting to become a problem. In this country most services that are provided to a client are regulated. Medicine, law, engineering, shrinks etc.
Why private consulting for Immigration should any different?
[28-06-2011,11:23]
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DocD |
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DocD
Ethics are taught by parents not college or University teachers.
Roy
cvimmigration.com
[28-06-2011,20:15]
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Roy |
