refugee in limbo

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Subject: refugee in limbo
  i came to canada in 2005, applied refugee and was accepted. after that, i submitted a permanent resident application the end of 2005 which i included my wife who i married in 2004. the problem is, i concealed some information about my previous residency in Malta and the Uk, and the CBSA found that out. so they called me in for an interview and i came clean and told them the truth. ok so here is what i said in my BIF form.
" i left my country in june 2005, i also told them that i was a forced labout for a malitia from the beginning of 2005 till the spring. and my wife was raped in the spring of 2005" Cbsa found out i was not in my country in 2005 and that i came to Malta july 2004 and lived in the uk 2005. here is the truth, i came to malta in july 2004, applied refugee there, but was unsuccessful and was granted only a temporary humanitarian protection. the conditions were very poor so i decided to seek asylum else were. so i came to the UK chrismas of 2004. the problem was since Malta and Uk are both members of european union, they share immigration data base and they would easily find my prints , and in europe asylum seekers are only allowed to apply refugee the first country they arrive so this forced me to hide my past as much as i can, i told them i was a teenager so i will be treated as a child, and i changed my name and i didnt tell them i was in malta. finally they found out they told me i would be deported. that is when i escaped to canada because condition in Malta are really poor for alliens and there are alot of skinheads. in canada i concealed all this information, only because i was afraid i would be deported and face persecution in my country. in order to hide this, i was advised to tell the government i just escaped from my country, as a result i changed the dates of some of the events that happened to me in my country. its all true but just the dates are wrong and the governments knows it. now i havent heard from the CBSA since the interview which was back end of april this year. i dont know what i am facing and what the consequences are. but i was ignorant refugee who came from a lawless refugee and didnt have enough knowledge about refugee system. i have no past criminality anywhere. please can someone help me how serious my representations where, and what could i face? thanks for your time i know this was long.

[06-08-2011,21:17]
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jay
(in reply to: refugee in limbo)
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/protection/fraud/document.asp
[06-08-2011,21:27]
[**.48.64.5]
Anonymous
(in reply to: refugee in limbo)
well Jay, you may or may not have any criminality elsewhere but you are certainly a criminal now and quite frankly, Canada does not want you. You make it so hard for people that tell the truth that I would be willing to pay for the plane ticket to deport you myself.




[06-08-2011,22:04]
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Sharon
reply to sharon (in reply to: refugee in limbo)
sharon i understand now and i definetely made a mistake. but i was a genuine refugee who was looking for a safe country to settle. the first country i arrived is a very tiny island that dont accept refugees. the second country i came was uk and they wanted me to go back to the tiny island. i came to canada and lied just to safe my life. who wouldnt lie to safe their life from persecution. i hope you could put your self in my situation so you could understand me better. i was not economy immigrant but very genuine refugee. if canada cares more about my name and where i lived in the past, GODDAMN CANADA THEN!!!
[07-08-2011,00:13]
[**.146.124.66]
jay
(in reply to: refugee in limbo)
How did he finance his itinerary from one country to another?

His misrepresentation is very serious.

He may face his refugee decision being vacated at a hearing.

"if canada cares more about my name and where i lived in the past, GODDAMN CANADA THEN!!!" <----Most ungrateful comment , indeed!


[07-08-2011,00:45]
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Anonymous
(in reply to: refugee in limbo)
ever heard of the third country rule - if you are a genuine refugee - Canada will send you back to Malta or the UK. You already had safety there but you got picky. Refugees are not picky.

as for your "Goddamn Canada" - again, may I drive you to the airport? You obviously have no idea how insulting your behaviour is to a Canadian.



[07-08-2011,02:39]
[**.180.239.117]
Sharon
Let me get this straight (in reply to: refugee in limbo)
I appologized if i offended anyone. I didnt say goddamn canada. I said if canada is more interested in my name and which route i took to get here than to help me as a genuine refugee. I think canada is generous country and im grateful but i am also angry and frustrated. Mymistake was result of fear. I cant be sent to malta or uk because i had no status there so they wont take. Im not picky because you can do a little about the conditions of refugees in malta which is why i left. And i ran away from uk because because they were sending me back to malta. Any way im here to get some legal advise but not for debate. Please reply only if you can give me some advise




[07-08-2011,04:33]
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Jay
(in reply to: refugee in limbo)
Jay

I represented a client who was investigated for seven years because CBSA felt he had lied. CBSA just kept telling him we are waiting for a response from this government or that government. They did not believe he was a Somali but thought he was a Kenyan.

The client had two nephews who had been found to be Convention Refugees before him. They had established that they were from Somalia and that they were now Canadian´s. When the client provided DNA evidence linking him to his Nephews I thought all would be resolved quickly but I WAS WRONG.

CBSA kept refusing to Land him or take him to a vacation hearing to take away his protected persons status. He was being left in limbo probably for ever.

I faxed Toronto Hearings and told them to kick him out or land him that being separated from ones family for so long was cruel punishment. I cc´d the Toronto Sun on that fax and within ten minutes I got a call warning me not to send the information to the Sun because his head is not the right shape for a Somali.

The Ministers Counsel was found to have misrepresented the evidence and the Member stated that they had failed to provide ANY evidence to show that my client´s protected person status was not warranted.

His wife and children are still not here one & half years later.

Now why???

Could it be because of people like you, that genuine people are accused of wrong doing, when they are innocent?

Roy
cvimmigration.com

[07-08-2011,08:19]
[**.56.251.100]
Roy
reply to roy (in reply to: refugee in limbo)
my situation is totally different than your client. i already proved my nationality. the problem is i concealed i made a previous claims in 2 other countries and it wasnt successful. according to refugee law, a person can make refugee in another country if they are rejected. i could apply my refugee here in canada and tell the truth that i had applied refugee in two other countries before and i believe it wont change the outcome. in my case, i was afraid and concealed this information. so now they are assessing my case. what might the outcomes be, if you can give some possible scenarios, will be appreciated. and please dont judge because, if you are genuine refugee, you will tell lies to safe your life and only refugee can understand that i guess.
[07-08-2011,10:25]
[**.146.124.66]
jay
(in reply to: refugee in limbo)
Thousands of refugees arrive in Canada every year - they are ALL afraid, and desperate. 90% manage to tell the truth.

You keep making excuses for yourself - why? Did you lie? Yes. Did you arrive from a 3rd safe country - Yes. Fact 1 and fact 2 are more than enough reason for Canada to put you on a plane.

You made a bad decision, and now it will cost you. There is no scenario that will save you other than going home and applying like everyone else.

[07-08-2011,13:41]
[**.180.239.117]
Sharon
(in reply to: refugee in limbo)
Jay

Yes your situation is totally different than my client. He told the truth and you LIED!

Sharon there is a scenario that could save...... he might just meet an authorized representative who can advise him differently if he looks long enough.

They might claim, no problem, put the money on the desk and I will be your white night riding to your rescue.

Once all of your funds are depleted I actually will not mind you saying, GODAMN CANADA!
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What goes around, comes around so if you keep asking to have that HUGE hole in your boat sealed up someone may actually lie to you.

Roy
cvimmigration.com

[07-08-2011,14:31]
[**.56.251.100]
Roy