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| Subject: Victims of Human Smuggling Detained |
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The first group of irregular arrivals have been declared by the Immigration Minister Jason Kenney.
They get one detention review within 48 hours than another in six months.
They made a refugee claim and if found in need of protection will never receive Landed status nor removed to their country of origin. They will not receive health care regardless of any illness.
Jason Kenney says they are being forced into a life of crime to pay off their smugglers.
Now if they were being forced into the sex trade they would have plenty of options to remain here permanently.
Why is CBSA persecuting the victims?
http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/canadian-authorities-bust-romanian-human-smuggling-ring-1.1066816
Roy
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[06-12-2012,07:58]
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Roy |
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Roy
Your comments touch on a lot of issues. I understand why CBSA wants to stop this kind of thing as apart from the whole jumping the line arguments, the life those people would have had here would be absolute hell. Slavery is alive and well as people are being forced to work for years in terrible conditions to pay back the people who traffic them. But I agree, I think most people feel for the victims, especially the children.
The changes in the law are very confusing. I don`t understand what you mean by "if found in need of protection will never receive Landed status nor removed to their country of origin. They will not receive health care regardless of any illness."
I understand the new law does make a number of restrictions on these "irregular arrivals" even if they are granted protected persons status including the fact they can`t apply for permanent residence, acquire travel documents or sponsor relatives for five years.
Some people are saying that really means they won`t get it at all as the government will make it so hard to get protected person status and see they are removed quickly if their claims are rejected but assuming their claim is accepted, won`t they be able to apply eventually for PR and if given welfare, would they not get the same benefits any other person on welfare would get.
[06-12-2012,12:05]
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Sabrina |
(in reply to: Victims of Human Smuggling Detained)
Never given legal status or any health care.
Detaining women and children with no review for six months come on Jason. One car had 11 people in it.
Roy
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[06-12-2012,18:59]
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Roy |
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Maybe Roy can help them financially? We simply cannot afford to be good Samaritans. The majority of Canadian population knows that. Health care service is already stretched.... let´s talk about providing free health care to them AFTER we have taken care of our own citizen first!
[07-12-2012,01:52]
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SG |
(in reply to: Victims of Human Smuggling Detained)
I love Trolls
Under the UN Convention which Canada signed if a person is a refugee we have an obligation and under the Charter EVERYONE IN CANADA is to be treated equally.
Roy
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[07-12-2012,09:37]
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Roy |
(in reply to: Victims of Human Smuggling Detained)
I don`t understand Roy. I realize you don`t like the idea of people being detained but what are the chances they will appear at their hearing and not go underground especially if they are victims of some kind of forced labour or forced crime arrangement. Based on some of the reports of people brought into the country that way, being detained could easily be better, especially for women and children, than what their own people are doing to them. Are you saying that if one of those people in detention gets sick, the government will just let them die. I can see the government not forking over hundreds of thousands in chemo or transplants or giving them priority for other expensive treatments that Canadians are waiting to get but I don`t see them letting someone die on their watch from something that is easily treated.
They are being given a review. Are you saying they have zero chance of being accepted at that review. If accepted, are you saying that they will not get the same benefits as any other person given protected status including the health care provided to others on welfare and they will not have the opportunity to apply for PR after five years.
[07-12-2012,11:38]
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Sabrina |
(in reply to: Victims of Human Smuggling Detained)
Quoted "They made a refugee claim and if found in need of protection will never receive Landed status nor removed to their country of origin. They will not receive health care regardless of any illness."
That´s crap and it is not true. They will eventually receive either a landed status or they WILL be removed. They may stay in custody in the mean time... so what?
And saying that they will not receive health care regardless of any illness is a hunk of poo poo. That is not true and you can´t prove it. Stop being a drama queen.
If you get detained by CBP down in the US is not any prettier.
You CANNOT write a law saying that if it is a mom that looks innocent it should be released and if it is a person that looks suspicious then it should be detained. How and who can make that decision on the spot? Based on what? just a face?
In both cases, they are treated as an irregular arrivals and there is a law that is in effect. Whether I agree with it or not is beside the point.
But saying that they will stay in limbo for eternity without any health care assistance if necessary is just a big fat lie.
[07-12-2012,12:10]
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DocD |
(in reply to: Victims of Human Smuggling Detained)
Dah DocD read the act or watch the video at 1:16 Jason Kenney says it himself.
Even if they fall in love and marry a Canadian no application for landing will be approved for five years.
They never got the smugglers so they are persecuting the victims.
Roy
cvimmigration.com
[07-12-2012,17:42]
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Roy |
(in reply to: Victims of Human Smuggling Detained)
Yes, these people are victims but they are also active participants. Do you think that because they either paid a lot of money to someone or promised to pay someone by working for them, that should give them a free pass and they should be allowed to jump the line ahead of all the people who follow the rules and wait for years. I think most legal immigrants would consider that betrayal.
So "never" actually means five years as in "never receive landed status" now you are saying means "no application for landing will be approved for five years". That sounds vaguely like what I said "can`t apply for permanent residence, acquire travel documents or sponsor relatives for five years".
So these people have jumped the line and come in illegally and they are facing possible detention (which is probably a lot nicer and safer than the places others brought in under similar circumstances have been kept in) and if they have valid claims, have to wait two extra years to get PR status, travel safely and sponsor their families. Doesn´t sound like fun but also doesn´t sound like they are being persecuted to me and probably would sound less like that to a recent legal immigrant.
[07-12-2012,19:00]
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Sabrina |
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@ Sabrina
For the last decade every year Canada has had 35,000 persons seek protection in Canada as a refugee. Of those approximately 36% have received protected persons status because of their need of protection and are now permanent residents or citizens living next door to you!
Now if you´re in country (A) which requires a Canadian Visitor Visa to travel to Canada how would you get here to seek out refugee status without using a smuggler type of person when your being persecuted?
So in the last decade 350,000 claimants arrived not by boat but under 200 did so that was a valid reason to lock up women and children for six months at a time with no review of their detention?
What line did they jump? Would you stand in line and wait to be killed? So all those poor soles in countries like Iran, Syria and the Democratic Republic of Congo who demonstrated against their leader should wait in line for protection?
Roy
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[08-12-2012,06:42]
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Roy |
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What you are saying makes sense if all of these refugee claimants were from deeply troubled countries and suffered persecution but there are major problems with that logic that I am sure you know.
These people being smuggled were not from Iran, Syria or the Congo. They were from Europe. They may have problems in a local area that might even be described as persecution but there is nothing to stop them moving someplace else either in their own country or another country in Europe they can access long before they get to Canada.
Their claims, along with many refugee claims, are very very weak. They come here because Canada has been generous and gullible and a refugee claim has become known as a means of beating the system when they get caught in some other scheme that does not work. Refugees should be people who are truly being hunted personally for what they are (their race, tribe or religion) or what they have witnessed or experienced and if someone in that category resorted to smuggling, I think most people would be sympathetic. I think in the past many refugees were fleeing wars and personal threats that were the result of taking courageous stands against human rights injustices or people like the Vietnamese Boat People who were so sure they were facing certain death, that they went to sea in leaky boats. Now, we get people who say their boyfriends beat them up or someone in their village is rude to them because they are gay. The Roma are hated in many places but it did not just happen. They are created problems for themselves and have created problems here.
Just because a country may be going through hell like the places you named, does not mean that everyone is being persecuted more than anyone else. There are hundreds of millions of people who are in dangerous situations. We can`t take everyone. Is some rich person who demonstrated against their ruler and can afford to buy their way here more deserving than someone who can`t pay a smuggler or someone who ran with the clothes on their back and has been sitting in a refugee camp in another country for years. Is it not possible that many of those willing to pay so much to a smuggler, are not innocent victims but actually running because they are the perpetrators of the violence. By the way, people from those countries are able to get visas. I know students from Syria here studying (one just went home for the holidays and plans to come back in Jan) and my neighbours are from Iran and their parents are here on Super Visas to help babysit their kids. They have a steady stream of relatives going back and forth.
A refugee claim has become known as a means of beating the system when they get caught in some other scheme that does not work. If you are being persecuted in a place like Iran, getting out of there would be much harder than getting into Canada.
The traffic of people such as the Roma is economic migration at its worst level. It is a criminal enterprise, not political and not about human rights. They are being brought here by members of their own group to either work for slave wages or to engage in crime so they can make money for the smugglers. They are victims but they are mostly willing victims because they see it as something to their advantage. That may not work out the way they hope, but that does not place them in the same category as someone facing famine in Africa or chemical war in Syria.
I absolutely support Canada bringing real refugees through the proper channels like the UNHCR but the only way we can get back to taking serious numbers of those people is if we cut back on all the economic migrants pretending to be refugees.
[08-12-2012,15:12]
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Sabrina |
