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Roy Hello,
Let me make it clear from the beginning. I Hold Brit passport, I don´t need visa to visit Canada. I visited several times. The honesty, the truth is that I never violated the law of Canada or anywhere else in the world. I never overstayed in Canada...I do not need to. At one point, in one of my visits, one of the dishonest Real Estate agent convinced me to buy a house (in good location) for good investment and high return. It turned out as scam. My official complaints against the agent and the lawyer involved are in record. But yet to find out something unique in Canada called "Buyer be aware". Hence I needed to visit in order to try get my money back in negative house market while paying annual heavy tax and basic utilities (not in use)to Canada. I never had problem at any airport in Canada but this time was my first ever in Montreal airport. I found the questions asked by immigration as provocative and inappropriate (I am not in denial of Canada´s need to protect border..no need for details but the langauge used was offensive and aggressive). I offered to go back to my country instead. I said "while you have power to refuse my entry, I have rights to go back and I refuse that kind of attitude...my humanity is above all". I was then taken to the back in a detention area, searched and the ordeal started there. I was abused verbally and physically..I repeat PHYSICALLY. They ganged around me and I was accused of overstaying and establishing illegal life in Canada. There was no one evidence. Even the emails they invaded, were taken from an iPad which is not mine but for a friend and nothing was directly related to me. I collapsed and Paramedics recommended my need for emergency hospital attention but I refused to go to hospital while handcuffed. I said "this is all against medical ethics". I asked clearly whether they have CCTV record in that detention area, or otherwise the violation of human rights is there. The answer was NO NO. I ws then thrown HAND CUFFED into a security track where I ended up in a place no different from Guantanamo Bay (if my imagination is right). After only 2 days of total isolation and disorientation from the whole world I was taken HAND CUFFED to what I knew later as court hearing. The honorable judge expressed her shock and sorrow of what happened to me in airport and later but she warned me that she had limited power on that and on them as a whole. There was no one concrete evidence as when I left Canada last visit. I was isolated from the whole world so I could not get testimony or hard evidence of where I had been. I said to the judge "thu I am not a lawyer, when there is lack of concrete hard evidence, the outcome normally go in favour of the defendant, or otherwise the defendant in some cses can get excuted or hanged for little evidence". I was shocked when the judge said: "immigration officers were given power to do everything..anything". I then asked for CCTV record at interrogation detention area, but there was silence and no response from the prosecutor and judge. I was then given exclusion order. Fine, I said I wanted to return back from airport why did I end here? no answer. The hearing was like a joke..like legalizing the crime. There was long debate (must be recorded) as to where I should be sent. I asked clearly that on my own expense I should have freedom to go where I wanted. But prosecutor insisted that "I should be sent to the airport I came from (which was connected flight..not where I started journey). The removl officer I met after another 2 days said "that is not correct..You will be sent back to your country and same airport from which you started your flight". Dilemma and dilemma. I was then assured that security would take me to pass the airport passport securities and from there, I could hold my passport, like any passenger...FREE TO GO. That turned out as big lie. My ordeal in return was as bad as what happened to me at entry. I asked again about CCTV record but it became clear that no record and that is done for purpose. If one is handcuffed and tortured , how can that helpless one prove his/her case. When back, I emailed the removal officer as to why I was treated badly again and different from what he assured me earlier. No answer yet. In the detention centre, I was approached by RED CROSS, REFUGEE ORGANIZATION and AMNNESTY INTERNATIONAL. They are still interested.
One reader may jump (ignoring what I had been through) and say" there must be reason for all that. In this forum, I am anonymous and I told you the truth no more no less. The Brit High Commission were informed but seems rather slow or useless hopeless.
Is this Canada? where can one go from here
[06-03-2013,07:58]
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(in reply to: Roy Plz, can't believe Canada is like this)
I am sorry but I assume that:
You are not telling the truth, you are mixing things and you made this a thriller story...
Canadian System is not that bad as you say... it can be one person but not the entire system...
[06-03-2013,08:28]
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Speedoflight |
(in reply to: Roy Plz, can't believe Canada is like this)
It´s not just Canada. It´s immigration in general. Immigration officers are given a great deal of power and have the authority to detain people if they choose.
I have a friend (Canadian) who had almost as bad an experience as you did trying to enter the UK. And another friend (also Canadian) who had an even worse experience than you did trying to enter the US.
It happens. Not sure there´s anything you can do about it now (I´m sure Roy will advise).
I cross borders often. My only piece of advice is never ever say anything that could be perceived as argumentative - it only leads to bigger problems.
[06-03-2013,08:38]
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Anonymous |
Waiting for Roy,....to Speedooflight (in reply to: Roy Plz, can't believe Canada is like this)
Thanks everyone.
Speedoflight, while I thank you for your input, to void getting responses like yours, I repeatedly said "I am telling the truth and only the truth". What I said in my post is exactly what I said in front of the judge. There always is a record of every court hearing. I even told more offensive details and language used to abuse me like F*** off and more. To get the proper advice I should tell the truth which I did. I even told the honorable judge that my work, my profession does not make sense to stay illegally or legally in Canada even I was allowed to, I did not need to. Thanks anyway
[06-03-2013,08:51]
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Human |
Further ... (in reply to: Roy Plz, can't believe Canada is like this)
I was even upfront in the court hearing: I said for example, the USA warn the visitors or cross by that their luggage can be searched and should be left open. Most of what they do in USA is uncceptable or un-justified but at least they say it in advance and one can make choices. This is not the case here in Canada. Had I been told I would never come near that country.
You may think it is a THRILLER STORY, or whatever comes to your mind. But plese before you do that just imagine yourself in my place where for no reason you found yourself surrounded by brutal people, kicked, abused, and more. Why would I come to this forum mking false story? what should I gain from that?
[06-03-2013,09:03]
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Human |
(in reply to: Roy Plz, can't believe Canada is like this)
I do think you had a very bad experience and for that I´m very sorry. However your luggage argument is riddiculous. Immigration always has the right to search your luggage - so does security. It doesn´t matter what country you´re traveling to. If you´re not comfortable with immigration / security having this kind of power then traveling may not be for you.
[06-03-2013,09:29]
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Anonymous |
HARD DONE BY (in reply to: Roy Plz, can't believe Canada is like this)
....I said "while you have power to refuse my entry, I have rights to go back and I refuse that kind of attitude...my humanity is above all"...
When one is refused to be admitted to Canada, there are steps to be taken in order to be removed. Someone was challenging that standard operational procedure.
...I collapsed and Paramedics recommended my need for emergency hospital attention but I refused to go to hospital while handcuffed....
This uncooperativeness and stubbornness is rarely tolerated.
[06-03-2013,09:54]
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Anonymous |
Anon, (in reply to: Roy Plz, can't believe Canada is like this)
Anon: luggage are searched everywhere. This is the era we live in these day. I have no problem with that. Did you read my post carefully? Was it just "the search of luggage?". I am not here to distort the image of Canada or to compare with others. Do you accept that to happen to you or to someone dear to you? I had seen children as young as 2-5 years old detained in the same secret detention centre that we never heard of. Do you accept your daughter or son suffer the same? I even asked how does it feel when kids see their father going out hand-cuffed? the answer came as cold as it is: "we do not hand cuff parents in front of their kids"
Roy: plz advise where to take it from here?
[06-03-2013,09:54]
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RE (in reply to: Roy Plz, can't believe Canada is like this)
Well, The thread is almost full but no genuine advice received.
I am genuine and have had a genuine case and questions.
I m still in severe trauma. It seems that too many in this forum are there to annoy other, to disrespect and to suspect every story. Every body is proud of his origin and his land. You are free to feel so. But how can you justify what happened under any law of the world? My Canadian friends over there, who also are looking after my property till it is sold, lost their der father. I missed the funeral for reasons and I was actually going there for offering my condolence. Every time they came to me in UK they received great treatment and welcome. They even complained that they don´t receive same decent treatment when crossing their own country. They are there..and could be questioned by the judge. I am not making a story.
[06-03-2013,10:14]
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Human |
(in reply to: Roy Plz, can't believe Canada is like this)
Let´s analyse your situation. You came to Canada to buy a house as an investment but you are not really and investor you came as a tourist.
You are attempting (or were attempting) to enter Canada as a visitor again.
You realize that a genuine tourist normally does not do these things. A tourist is a person who comes for a limited visit, does touristy stuff and at the end of their visit goes home.
Without knowing all the details is hard to give a solid opinion but what you did, could be perceived also as a way to laundry money or any other illicit business. I am not saying you are doing so, but understand that the officer that is doing the examination will have a hard time understanding why a "self sufficient" potential real estate investor from overseas, will blow their money in an "investment property" then loose some money and come back to sell it so he can go back to his native land? You said you were a tourist and now have ties to Canada?
Organized crime works in a similar way and it is CBSA´s responsibility to make sure that your intentions are just as pure as you claim them to be. Which I am pretty sure that was the case but.....
I don´t know how you reacted to the entire situation which made the officers to react back. If you feel that you were treated unfairly, you could have report the officers and if required, disciplinary measures would´ve been put in place.
Being the victim is not going to bring any sympathy from any body, I can tell you that, I am not sure what you´re looking for.
There is one thing in this comment that doesn´t sound right. You were refused of entry since you don´t appear to be a genuine visitor but they didn´t give you the option to withdraw your application to enter Canada which is normally the case in an "average situation", you were given an exclusion order which is telling me that you tried to fight your entry, misrepresented yourself and it back fired on you.
[07-03-2013,11:33]
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DocD |
(in reply to: Roy Plz, can't believe Canada is like this)
DocD
I m not an investor. I was misled and tricked in buying that house while there. As mentioned, I made official complaints there against the real Estate agent and lawyers involved. That is well documented. They were guilty but due to privacy act I was unable to know "to what extent".
The Question is: do the Immig officers have power to abuse power and abuse human rights? let us even assume I was illegal there...could that justify what happened? I even asked the honorable judge the same question. She looked at the Immig reperesentative for an answer but there was silence instead. I even went far and asked the judge" if that is the law of Canada that you torture the visitors when you want, why can´t Canada tell the truth and warn the visitor , so visitors can make choices before their trip to Canada?
From the detention place I had been in, I can/could see that every abuse is done in secret. The people detained there are tolerant and silent because they want to succeed in their goal to settle in Canada or otherwise the case will turn against them as trouble makers. Can´t you see that almost every reply to my thread is labelling me already as trouble maker or not telling the truth?
[07-03-2013,16:34]
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