Roy, plz help (new thread)

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Subject: Roy, plz help (new thread)
  Roy Hello,
(sorry have to copy the original thread ...was spammed by fake passport guy)

Let me make it clear from the beginning. I Hold Brit passport, I donīt need visa to visit Canada. I visited several times. The honesty, the truth is that I never violated the law of Canada or anywhere else in the world. I never overstayed in Canada...I do not need to. At one point, in one of my visits, one of the dishonest Real Estate agent convinced me to buy a house (in good location) for good investment and high return. It turned out as scam. My official complaints against the agent and the lawyer involved are in record. But yet to find out something unique in Canada called "Buyer be aware". Hence I needed to visit in order to try get my money back in negative house market while paying annual heavy tax and basic utilities (not in use)to Canada. I never had problem at any airport in Canada but this time was my first ever in Montreal airport. I found the questions asked by immigration as provocative and inappropriate (I am not in denial of Canadaīs need to protect border..no need for details but the langauge used was offensive and aggressive). I offered to go back to my country instead. I said "while you have power to refuse my entry, I have rights to go back and I refuse that kind of attitude...my humanity is above all". I was then taken to the back in a detention area, searched and the ordeal started there. I was abused verbally and physically..I repeat PHYSICALLY. They ganged around me and I was accused of overstaying and establishing illegal life in Canada. There was no one evidence. Even the emails they invaded, were taken from an iPad which is not mine but for a friend and nothing was directly related to me. I collapsed and Paramedics recommended my need for emergency hospital attention but I refused to go to hospital while handcuffed. I said "this is all against medical ethics". I asked clearly whether they have CCTV record in that detention area, or otherwise the violation of human rights is there. The answer was NO NO. I ws then thrown HAND CUFFED into a security track where I ended up in a place no different from Guantanamo Bay (if my imagination is right). After only 2 days of total isolation and disorientation from the whole world I was taken HAND CUFFED to what I knew later as court hearing. The honorable judge expressed her shock and sorrow of what happened to me in airport and later but she warned me that she had limited power on that and on them as a whole. There was no one concrete evidence as when I left Canada last visit. I was isolated from the whole world so I could not get testimony or hard evidence of where I had been. I said to the judge "thu I am not a lawyer, when there is lack of concrete hard evidence, the outcome normally go in favour of the defendant, or otherwise the defendant in some cses can get excuted or hanged for little evidence". I was shocked when the judge said: "immigration officers were given power to do everything..anything". I then asked for CCTV record at interrogation detention area, but there was silence and no response from the prosecutor and judge. I was then given exclusion order. Fine, I said I wanted to return back from airport why did I end here? no answer. The hearing was like a joke..like legalizing the crime. There was long debate (must be recorded) as to where I should be sent. I asked clearly that on my own expense I should have freedom to go where I wanted. But prosecutor insisted that "I should be sent to the airport I came from (which was connected flight..not where I started journey). The removl officer I met after another 2 days said "that is not correct..You will be sent back to your country and same airport from which you started your flight". Dilemma and dilemma. I was then assured that security would take me to pass the airport passport securities and from there, I could hold my passport, like any passenger...FREE TO GO. That turned out as big lie. My ordeal in return was as bad as what happened to me at entry. I asked again about CCTV record but it became clear that no record and that is done for purpose. If one is handcuffed and tortured , how can that helpless one prove his/her case. When back, I emailed the removal officer as to why I was treated badly again and different from what he assured me earlier. No answer yet. In the detention centre, I was approached by RED CROSS, REFUGEE ORGANIZATION and AMNNESTY INTERNATIONAL. They are still interested.
One reader may jump (ignoring what I had been through) and say" there must be reason for all that. In this forum, I am anonymous and I told you the truth no more no less. The Brit High Commission were informed but seems rather slow or useless hopeless.
Is this Canada? where can one go from here

[06-03-2013,10:20]
[**.36.77.1]
Human
(in reply to: Roy, plz help (new thread))
where can one go from here? - don´t visit Canada
[07-03-2013,15:58]
[**.16.209.157]
Julia
to Julia (in reply to: Roy, plz help (new thread))
Seems that you are the same immigration officer I met that black day, but her name is Cindy.
There are too many millions in that world who would like to move to Canada or other places for better life or political reasons. I can understand and appreciate where they come from. Luckily, thank GOD I am not one of those. God the creator has blessed me with good standard of life and certainly HIGHER EDUCATIOn than the Cnd Immigrtion Minister and Cnd Prime Minister. This is not an insult to anyone or paranoia or SNUB. It just to tell you that legal immigration has been widely open for me IF I WANTED.

Julia: you have to realise that Canada as a whole is totally dependent on immigration..the business of immigration.....the selective immigration. But remember the magic will turn back into the magician one day.

Frankly, would you accept the treatment I received to happen to you anywhere in the world? would you accept by then that I simply advise you "Julia do not visit UK".

[07-03-2013,16:18]
[**.36.70.155]
Human
(in reply to: Roy, plz help (new thread))
In my best informed opinion, Canada is simply a shithole country and I fail to understand why ppl clamor to come here! I am here and planning to move on to better places....
[07-03-2013,17:20]
[***.164.211.29]
@#&^%$
(in reply to: Roy, plz help (new thread))
I know the system quite well since I am part of it and there are very good officers and others that are not so good. It is not the agency or its principles, it is human behavior, plain and simple.

Having a negative experience with an officer is one thing but at the moment that you say that a judge and everybody else in the room was in silence ignoring your allegations, it let´s me to believe that you are taking ZERO responsibility for what happened and you are making far more dramatic that what actually was, of course is a matter of perception and I am not sure if what you are looking for here is sympathy a hug, I don´t know, what is the purpose of this thread anyway?

Sorry to hear about your bad experience, it doesn´t represent the believes of CBSA or country but there are always two sides of a story.


[07-03-2013,17:35]
[***.115.153.178]
DocD
(in reply to: Roy, plz help (new thread))
DocD,
Not sure you read it all. The story is exactly what I described. The JUDGE said in an anger voice while looking at the Immig Rep: "I am very sorry and am very disturbed by what happened to Mr XXX" Then looked at me and said" I have to warn you that I have limited power here. The Immigration officers are by law given power to do everything, but not not that abuse...this matter should go and be dealt with in a different court proceedure". How ould then I proceed like this while detained in look alike Guantanamo Bay?

If you are in the system, an experienced lawyer I talked to later through the RED CROSS was so angry (I mentioned his first name), said clearly he is aware "that Immigration Misnister and Prime Minsister are fully aware of everything happening on borders and that the silence is their policy. He dvised that I would need millions to win a case against a government like that of Canada.

[07-03-2013,18:38]
[**.36.70.155]
Human
(in reply to: Roy, plz help (new thread))
I am so sorry,
I told you on a previous threat that your story seems to be not true, or you are telling only your version of the story...

Roy is not going to reply to you, dont worry, dont wait , he is smarter than we think...

Speedoflight

[07-03-2013,18:46]
[***.175.8.94]
Speedoflight
(in reply to: Roy, plz help (new thread))
Anyone can buy property in Canada and their is no requirement to be a resident. If there is a need for a mortgage someone in Canada needs status to have a bank account.

We had a client who owned a house in Canada who was stopped by CBSA after eight visits to Canada. The Officer claimed he appeared to be in Canada too often and may be residing here. CBSA found a business card on him for bathroom renovations and the deed to his house he owned here.

They locked him up and I represented him at his detention review. In his passport were many visitor visas issued in different countries for other countries in which he had traveled to after trips to Canada.

When the Hearings Officer during his detention review read out my client entered Canada on a particular date then obtained a Visitor Visa issued in a foreign country for another country it was obvious that he had departed prior to six months expiring. This happened four times.

The member refused to accept the bond person I presented but released my client with NO terms or conditions. Then I represented him four months later at his admissibility hearing and won that as well.

He was sold a grow op house and did not want to tell CBSA or anyone that him being a big business man got ripped of by one of his own country men.

Your stay was not a clear violation but regrettable an unforgettable experience.

[07-03-2013,18:46]
[**.229.22.156]
Roy
(in reply to: Roy, plz help (new thread))
Thanks Roy

The thread was actually addressed to your name in particular. I follow the forum for a whilea nd I found you as fair and neuttral. Canadians in general are not bad but good. same applies to Americans. But Canadians deserve facelift and better representation. Canada can not cover up its secret forever.

My main question still needs the answer: Do the Immigration have CCTV record 24/7 in that INHUMAN detention area or even for every interview in airports? if not why not? I would appreciate the answer. I am preparing my file for a scheduled meeting with my local Memebers of Parliament. It may even go to court, in Canada or here.

[07-03-2013,19:14]
[**.36.70.155]
Human
(in reply to: Roy, plz help (new thread))
Human...
do not go against the river..
Just let it go.
There are humans but there is no humanity...?!

[07-03-2013,20:24]
[**.198.65.30]
Il latitante
To: Il latitante (in reply to: Roy, plz help (new thread))
Il latitante,

Thank you. I totlly agree.
At my blindness, Canada was my last hope of HUMANITY, yet to discover the shock of my life.....Canada certainly has secret places worse than Guantanamo Bay. I could not believe my eyes when I woke up to find myself locked in a harsh place called "LAVAL detention..or Nazi camp". I found children there as young as 2-5 y old. The kids were seeing their own father from the door of the kitchen for only few minutes. The father used to cry and bang his head on the door for his kids but nothing to bother anyone there. All detainees were from certain ethnic and certain continents: blacks, few Asians, Soth Americans and N Africans....no red necks. There were almost 15-20 security officers for each ONE detainee. The court itself in town were like Guantanamo Bay. The lady JUDGE who really has the manner of real human, I wondered how she goes to that building. If I were her, I would never work there or be a judge in a system she was saying frankly that she has limited power. So, like legalizing the crimes, nothing else.

If someone here thinks that I am just furious or just against Canada or making false story, then go visit the place. Or make campaign to force Canada to open those secret places. Shame shame shame on HUMANITY. This land was for the First NATION and should go back to First Nation

[07-03-2013,22:26]
[**.36.70.155]
Human