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| Subject: The Buffalo's took my money part 2 |
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You make a very good argument. I think we could debate Immigration as a way to make money for the Canadian government endlessly. I would be curious if there is some sort of cost analysis on the fees/cost to process. It is not just bodies that the fees pay for. However, I 100% agree with you that our current system needs adjustment. I was surprised to hear that the UK is moving to our point system. They must see something that we don´t.
I think the biggest struggle/challenge is how to handle the volume of applicants compared to the number of PR´s we can issue each year. Do we only accept as many applications as we can admit each year? In my mind, that would be less painful for people. How CIC would make that change is a little nerve wracking because I suspect they would have to finish out the current applications in the que for places like India - which would mean the doors would have to be closed to new applications for 4-5 years. Now that may have people setting their hair on fire, but in reality... it would not change anyone´s wait time. What it would do is allow the applicants under a new system the knowledge that they will have an answer within a set period of time. 1 year - whatever.
As for Buffalo and why only Buffalo...who knows.
In terms of fees and reciepts etc. and staffing. I think fees are for the most part a cost recovery measure. Yes, a quick receipt would be preferable. We definitely need to find a way to unload the system.
I noticed that there is going to be some cross Canada hearings http://www.parl.gc.ca/committee/CommitteePublication.aspx?SourceId=96511 on immigration issues. Maybe this is the time to articulate some of our observations.
[12-02-2005,14:00]
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sharon |
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(in reply to: The Buffalo's took my money part 2)
Dudes - you are speaking as if Canadian govt. is routing all reciepts 100% in their treasury.
What about running overheads at CIC? On average an officers must be devoting at least 15-20 hours per application over it´s "entire" process. Just the cost of evaluation is close to 500-600 US$.
What do we pay for our applications? close to 1400 US$ so I guess yes 700-800 US$ filters to the system - but that is pin drop when it comes to benifits immigrants get as soon as they land.
As this system does is perhaps asks applicants to pay for their application and maybe what it may cost the economny to absorb the new immigrant for first 2-3 months.
[12-02-2005,14:15]
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Anonymous |
(in reply to: The Buffalo's took my money part 2)
We also seem to forget that employee wages are not the only expenses. There is regular costs for materials, postage, intelligence and other contractors they have to use for checking all background info. Also RCMP police certificates are free for us... so they must somehow contribute to them through government.Then there is building maintenance costs, electricity...administration, wages for accountants, bosses... I would also note that you can not always blame CIC for not sending the documents...postal system can sometimes be awfully slow or lose your mail. So perhaps we should give some credit for CIC for hard work, since we do not know exactly what happens in their offices.
[12-02-2005,14:42]
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April |
(in reply to: The Buffalo's took my money part 2)
I was trying to be diplomatic about fees and CIC. You are right...the cost to run background checks, etc. likely puts CIC either in a break even position or a loss. Not a popular notion among folks who think CIC is a money grabbing rip off. There is also the idea of placing value on Immigration. The more expensive it is, the more serious people take the process. With a system overloaded the last thing you want or need is folks applying just to see what happens.
[12-02-2005,14:48]
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sharon |
(in reply to: The Buffalo's took my money part 2)
Sharon, that´s what I tried to tell people, however, they said my words are nonsense. whatever, I don´t care. if you think system doesn´t work, talk to your MPs. Public inquire about CIC policy gonna begin soon, if you really wanna say anything, it??s your show time dudes.
The thing is actually on CIC processing time; it indicated most of visa office??s processing time for reference. Believe or not, you have to wait in that kind of long term process or simply just don??t need to apply.
I am on the same boat like you guys. Pay fee, wait for AOR already three month. Do you think it??s expensive? I don??t really think so. Ok, how much you have to pay for you to settle a lawsuit in Canada? How much you have to pay to do bodywork for your car? This is cost and benefit compare. We need understand the situation is Canadian choice us, not we choice Canada. Canadian have rights to choice when, where, what, who will be more easy to immigrate into Canada than others.
Understand this, I don??t really bother to complain fee waiting time, do whatever I suppose to do in my daily life like you guys. Life is so beautiful; it??s spring right now, flower booming, and sun shining. Don??t put yourself into nervous day by day. I know how frustrating is the waiting process, however, what you gonna do beside waiting?
I always think immigration process is like driving. Sharon, not try to offend you when I am talking about Vancouver. It was my first time drive on the Main Street Vancouver, (I learn Driving in Regina, live in Nanaimo until now, they are both small town) I drove so slow, people cut me, give me finger because I totally lost in the flood traffic. Never drive in the big city before. Get pull over somewhere main street Chinatown, turn left, actually I suppose not to. But I am from Nanaimo, just simply couldn??t find a sign. I was talking to a lady cop. She is really nice. She told me most people from rural town, if they first drive in the big city, it??s like culture shock, and they are getting nervous. Pissed off so easily, just relax, deep breath. Don??t try to think why they can do this, that??s the way it is in Vancouver, you can??t be panic. Otherwise all your muscles are tighten, it can even affect your health.
Ok guys, just sit on your coach, maybe it??s time to watch ??The Notebook??(both Canadian) DVD. Relax, that??s the way it is. We will try to change, but simply we just can do nothing right now, why should you put yourself into such difficult situation? I can??t change Vancouver residents driving habit; we couldn??t change CIC policy at once too.
Anyway, if you guys think I am a kid or make comment nonsense, simply just ignore me will be appreciated. Have a nice weekend, check out west coast, weather is so nice today, can??t help to go fishing with my girlfriend and kid. Throw CIC a side, you still gonna eat your weekend dinner, I still have to drive my kid to daycare, I pay more attention to national daycare than CIC, kidding.
[12-02-2005,15:49]
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Yijie |
(in reply to: The Buffalo's took my money part 2)
i think u yijie and sharon are just wasting our time,u never stop talking about stupid things.come on for god sake.
if u have nothing to do in the meantime,why dont u share ur emails and spend ur valuable time chatting on MSN? I think that forum goal is to help people immigrate to canada and help them filling their applications correctly and also to share our timelines.. i am sick of ur stories that u never stop talking about it,ok we knew and the whloe canadians and immigrants knew that u have ur husbend stuck in paris and u cant wait till he arraives to vancouver and u yijie whats wrong with u?it seems that u have nothing to do?
guys lets try to make this forum more useful and make sure that our posts more helpful than that...
and i am sorry sharon and yijie but each time i read ur posts i become upset.and now i read u write mr.yijie that if we dont like what u write to just ignore it. r u kidding me man..why dont u just ignore the forum?because people here read every thing to improve their knowledge in how their applications are being processed..
[12-02-2005,16:33]
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ed |
(in reply to: The Buffalo's took my money part 2)
one more thing,
I am not trying offend anyone,its just that talking about something not related to the immigration issues which might not help the people could waste their times..
reading 50 lines for nothing its not a good idea..
so dont get me wrong
[12-02-2005,16:43]
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ed |
(in reply to: The Buffalo's took my money part 2)
So what´s wrong with Sharon, can´t she talk about her family stuff? What??s wrong with u? Do you think me Yijie and Sharon made topics here without related to immigration process? Come on dude? Immigration process and application stuff is maybe just less than 1% of your future immigration life? Sharon tried so hard to explain the real Canadian situation according to a Canadian view, like me, because I am not a Canadian, I just live in Canada for a while, try to share my life with you guys. There is nothing wrong with Sharon; you should appreciate her warm heart. I feel so offence if somebody say something like?? everybody know your had what----??, it??s like target somebody, you know? What Sharon did is trying hard to let you guys understand the real Canada. Didn??t Sharon answer any of you guys question with hesitation?
Ok compare with application and your life in Canada to your university life.
Applying process is just like you fill university application form, pass provincial exam, and wait please. You still have whole four years exciting university life waiting for you; you have your maybe rest of life in Canada, which parts are more important?
Beside application process, forms, do you have life?
Fall back
Take a look at me
And you´ll see
I´m for real
I feel what only I can feel
And if that don´t appeal to you
Let me know
And I´ll go
´Cuz I flow
Better when my colors show
And that´s the way it has to be
Honestly
´Cuz creativity
Could never bloom
In my room
I´d throw it all away before I lie
So don´t call me with a compromise
Hang up the phone
I´ve got a backbone
Stronger than yours.
[12-02-2005,17:02]
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Yijie |
(in reply to: The Buffalo's took my money part 2)
Dear Ed. I did not start this thread - someone else did. The excercise of comparing timelines, verifying points, asking questions that only an immigration lawyer can answer, and comparing CAIPS notes is an absolute waste of time. Read the instructions. If you can´t understand them - you should not be applying. (how´s that for rude) 80% of the information is often inaccurate or irrelevant. So, be that the case, what should we talk about - perhaps nothing. Shut down the forum and lets all do more interesting things.
Immigration is about people not forms and timelines. Most people seem to appreciate the human side of this issue and have thanked me for my perspective and my willingness to share it. So, if you only want to learn about timelines... by all means - go for it. Other people have different ideas on the subject.
[12-02-2005,17:20]
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sharon |
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I totally agree. If you want accurate info, then the best thing is to use CIC site or find it from other web sites. The purpose of a forum is to have a conversation. Also it is to share experiences about the topics. In this forum it is about Canada and Immigration. In some other forum it could be something else, but they still bring in some different views from more topics. I like reading comments from people who are friendly like Sharon and Yijje. They are more like those Canadien people I know.That is also one of the big reasons why I want to become a Canadien. So, just skip those comments that do not interest you. It is not compulsorary to read every topic, or response. People who comment you here do not represent CIC so you might get wrong info regarding immigration rules anyway.
[12-02-2005,19:41]
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April |
(in reply to: The Buffalo's took my money part 2)
I do agree with points about costs to CIC and to stop possible applicants who are not serious about it.
It happens all the time at universities. Look at the ones where they have usually no or little application fees - you get 100s more than you should and ones who will never perhaps come.
I´m sure CIC is doing a good job - however they need to change with time to accomodate the surge in numbers or perhaps think about increasing the points again.
[12-02-2005,19:41]
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***** |
(in reply to: The Buffalo's took my money part 2)
I don´t think they need to change the points but I think they need look at the skills people are bringing for Canadian shortages. We joke about it in Canada that a masters degree in philosophy or art history might be very interesting but it does not mean you can find a job. Some of our IT applicants might discover that all the Canadian IT jobs are being outsourced to India! (don´t laugh - it is happening) and while their education gives them points to enter the country, it does not guarantee employment in their field. Canada has a long list of jobs they need skilled labour for, but these types of highly skilled workers do not appear to be applying - why not?? perhaps not enough points! Would a plumber, electrician, civil engineer, bricklayer qualify under our current system? I have my doubts. They are desperately needed and they earn more in wages then our IT workers.
I think that part of our immigration definitely has to change, and perhaps a university entrance type system instead of this current open waiting que. X number of applicants per embassy are accepted. once they have their qualified quota the admissions department is closed - try again next year. Would that be so bad?
[12-02-2005,19:55]
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sharon |
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