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With a surge in applications do you think CIC should consider going back to the old pass points?
Well there are following options:
If CIC wanted more people to come as immigrants and reduced points they should have anticipated the rush and employed more agents. They have been doing this for years and must have had figures on how much time it takes to clear 1 application file.
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They should stop accepting application till previous load is cleared.
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go back to old point system to reduce new applications while they clear existing ones.
Are people in Canada or ministers discussing this? Or at least the newspapers writing about it?
[12-02-2005,19:45]
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***** |
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(in reply to: Should CIC change points)
I don?t think they need to change the points but I think they need look at the skills people are bringing for Canadian shortages. We joke about it in Canada that a masters degree in philosophy or art history might be very interesting but it does not mean you can find a job. Some of our IT applicants might discover that all the Canadian IT jobs are being outsourced to India! (don?t laugh - it is happening) and while their education gives them points to enter the country, it does not guarantee employment in their field. Canada has a long list of jobs they need skilled labour for, but these types of highly skilled workers do not appear to be applying - why not?? perhaps not enough points! Would a plumber, electrician, civil engineer, bricklayer qualify under our current system? I have my doubts. They are desperately needed and they earn more in wages then our IT workers.
I think that part of our immigration definitely has to change, and perhaps a university entrance type system instead of this current open waiting que. X number of applicants per embassy are accepted. once they have their qualified quota the admissions department is closed - try again next year. Would that be so bad?
[12-02-2005,20:14]
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sharon |
(in reply to: Should CIC change points)
That´s why I mentioned several times before, why CIC is still using NOC code which was back to 2001, job market has huge changed already.
if you guys want, why don´t you write a letter to minister or to MP.
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I guess there were some dudes wrote letters to minister about timeline like us, haha
[13-02-2005,05:47]
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Yijie |
(in reply to: Should CIC change points)
Hello Sharon,
It is more likely for bricklayers and similar trades to apply under some foreign worker program with no need to fulfill CIC´s point system.I think the main issue here is that the most offer of them exist in developing countries, while in the developed countries there are not too much of them (or they are illegal immigrants), and they being from developing countries, well, they don´t exactly have the education needed to apply at CIC´s federal skilled worker program, they do not speak english; at least in my country (Mexico) they can not even dream of using a computer to take a look at these forums!
Regarding the civil engineers (I am one of them), it´ll be interesting to know why they aren´t applying as you say. You say perhaps not enough points and that is very likely, because english language wasn´t given the due importance in education institutions and universities, with some few exceptions, until I´d say 5 years ago. I think it´s more kind of missinformation. But, again, I´ll be interesting to know your point of view in a more extended way.
I don´t know what you mean by university entrance type system, but I think stablishing a quota could work, it wouldn´t be that bad. Actually I read some where they have a goal (which is a different tyoe of quota) for federal skilled, family, refugees, etc. Maybe they need to sharpen their statistics in a way such as to be able to know wich skills the Country needs; in Nova Scotia they have a pretty sharp overview of the civil engineer profession and a broadcast-type info saying what would be the chances of finding a job in there; this kind of info is in some other provinces, but not all of them, and more importantly, it is not linked to CIC so they can stablish quotas or goals and orient their efforts to the skills needed in Canada; Could it be because it´ll be discriminative ? some people could interpret it as a hidden discriminatory policy, couldn´t they ?.
The issue of ***** (didn´t write his/her name) is a little bit out of focus (no offence). See, CIC based it´s decision of lowering on the need they forsaw of more people, it´s like the demand-offer law, they need more people they lower the passmark, and this decision was made on a long term basis, not for a couple of years, but for a decade at least. You know these decisions involving national economy and national everything have to be made this way because so many factors are involved that the results can´t be seen on one day, and whatever leaded them to take it wasn´t something that happened yesterday, it was surely something being happening for a long period before. So therefore 18 months an application takes to process is not a big deal, it does not have any negative impact on this long term plan.
To this you have to add the negative impacts that inmediately have had the strike last year, the Tsunami, the security issues after 9/11, and others I can´t think of right now.
Best regards
Antonio
P.S. excuse me if I´m not too good at english.
[13-02-2005,06:52]
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Antonio |
(in reply to: Should CIC change points)
They used to have a strict occupational list by old rules. A big problem was that it was outdated already by the date it was published. It is almost impossible to make accurate forecasts in regards to future employment. They wanted to establish a system that would be easy to follow and verify its fairness. If you ever read through those two Bills they introduced at planning state, before one of them passed through all three readings, you would notice their plans were to look for immigrants who would be able to use several different skills. General Canadian public was also involved in the process to modify immigration rules. It may not be perfect, but I definitely think it is more clear and fair than the old system.
[13-02-2005,09:21]
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April |
(in reply to: Should CIC change points)
I think with NOC its the case that the job designations and descriptions remain the same only the demands of these job in todays market change...
so there is no problems with job description... I think the NOC are still helpful to see in what category do we fall in.
The codes have a special meaning and you can see what occupations were in high demand a couple years ago...
Cheers,
HS
[13-02-2005,14:53]
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HS |
(in reply to: Should CIC change points)
well said- all of you. April, I agree the method of assigning points is very reasonable. I am still trying to figure out how Canada can get the skills they need.
[13-02-2005,15:28]
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sharon |
(in reply to: Should CIC change points)
Hi again Sharon...this time I have a question instead of a comment. I presently work for a US local government agency for the last 16+ years, the last seven as a manager. I have my PR , plan to land in Sept. and move permanently next year. Does anyone know if there is a fair to good chance of securing a Social Service position with the Canadian Federal or Nova Scotia local Government?
I did my research and I am well aware of the Public Service Employment Act and all the groups who come before a PR status in obtaining a government job and I always look at the job sites. But I thought just maybe others with a similar background in Social Services might have different experience. I know the US conservatives have tightened up as well, but there is always a shortage here for working with children, families and seniors and I wonder if it is the same in Canada. Any thoughts???
[21-07-2006,15:28]
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Anonymous |
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