What do you think of this ?

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Subject: What do you think of this ?
  Look at this postings.
http://www.immigration.ca/discussion/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6340
It´s another point of view to the lack of employment. The issue here is they are talking about trade jobs (aren´t they ?). Can some thing happen with undergraduate jobs ?

Good to think about, isn´t it ?

Regards

Antonio

[17-02-2005,03:26]
[**.68.235.181]
Antonio
(in reply to: What do you think of this ?)
Antonio? Where are you from?
Saludos!

[17-02-2005,12:02]
[***.56.240.36]
David
(in reply to: What do you think of this ?)
There is a perpetual debate that rages on in Canada that compares the wages and benefits between unionized and non-unionized workers. Both generally feel sorry for themselves. That is a specific issue the first poster is talking about and does not speak generally about the Canadian labour market.

The response...yes, there is some frustration out there that CIC continues to accept applications from folks purly on academic achievement rather than specific job skills that are urgently needed. The result is a high influx of IT skills into a market that cannot sustain them. It creates additional pressure and competition for those trained in Canada and you are seeing the posters frustration.


[17-02-2005,13:25]
[***.81.114.40]
sharon
(in reply to: What do you think of this ?)
Sharon,
There´s a lot of need of skilled labour workers (carpenters, formers, bricklayers, etc); but, is there the same need for civil engineers, accountants, lawyers, technologists, etc. ? because that´s the kind of people applying at the moment, that´s the bearing of the CIC´s application kit. You´ve said there´s a lot of work, and you´ve provided with some evidence, and I´ve found some too, but this evidence is about labour skilled workers, so I ask again: can something similar happen with undergraduate jobs ?.
I don´t exactly understand what´s the frustration you are talking about; mabye have the purely academic achievement of the immigrants made this guy angry because he can´t compete in an IT job ? If so now I understand and that´d be a surprise if true!!
If the second poster is saying that the immigrants are taking their jobs, why are so many immigrants complaining about the lack of jobs in Canada ? Or maybe this issue was just about IT jobs ? So I´ll rephrase my question: can this happen to undergraduate level jobs other that IT ?

Best regards

Antonio

[17-02-2005,18:45]
[**.68.235.181]
Antonio
(in reply to: What do you think of this ?)
David,
I´m from M?xico, applying as a federal skilled worker.
How about you ? you seem to speak spanish, but your name is kind of "bicultural" I mean David is writen the same way in english or spanish, while not the same with mine, which is used mostly in spanish-speaking countries. That is why you could guess I´m latino.

Best regards

Antonio

[17-02-2005,18:55]
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Antonio
(in reply to: What do you think of this ?)
I am not sure what you mean about undergraduate skilled workers. There is jobs in all areas of the economy. Part of the challenge is to fit your skills into the Canadian market place. By that I mean, getting Canadian licensing. A lawyer trained in Europe cannot practice law in Canada until they prove that they know Canadian law! seems reasonable. A foreign trained tax accountant cannot be a Canadian tax accountant without knowing Canadian tax law first. Does that make sense??

As for IT jobs... there are some very good tech jobs out there. What would any worker want... 5 people of equal training competing for 1 job or 2 people? Canada is training 2 people, CIC is adding 3 more.

[17-02-2005,20:04]
[***.181.198.246]
sharon
I think ... (in reply to: What do you think of this ?)
I think what he is trying to say using the term undergraduate is people holding university degrees.... I know why he´s using that word . In Spanish we say:: People with Licenciatura::: and if you look up the translation for licenciatura , the dictionary says: Undergraduate..)But translating literally doesn´t work all the time.Anyways, I know some mexicans who have come here and they had to take more courses to be able to work in Canada(If you are a Doctor I think they make you go to school for four years, which I would not bother doing..I would study another career). I also know dentists working as waiters.
Anyways, I am not trying to discourage you but you have to be aware that things may be different than what you expect.
Get yourself ready to study another career (you may need it)or take courses to be able to work in your field.
These are just my 2 cents...

[17-02-2005,22:07]
[***.148.229.198]
Fish
(in reply to: What do you think of this ?)
Yes, of course, I know exactly what you are talking about. I as a civil engineer have to get licenced by the corresponding licensing body in order to practice. And that licensing procedure includes one year of Canadian experience working under the supervision of a licensed engineer; and that makes pretty much sense, because there´s so much at stake in these professions that not just any body should be allowd to practice, the same happens with doctors, lawyers, accountants, etc. I am willing to practice that year under the supervision of a P.eng. and am willing to undertake whatever extra estudies I need. But the point here is why is there a huge amount of people complaining for the lack of jobs?, don´t they know about this requirements ? this people applied under the federal skilled worker program, that´s aimed to the undergraduate jobs (see fish´s comm), so why are they complaining about it ?. Maybe we should shout out loud: "hey people, don´t forget the licencing issue".
Or maybe they are not willing to get licenced, or not willing to that year of practice under a licensed professional´s direct supervision; they also should know they have to have some canadian experience before they get to work under supervision, and that´ll take some extra time.
So, about my original question: can something similar happen with undergraduate jobs (I keep the term thogh Fish has correted me)? yes, it might, it´s just matter of fitting in. Is it going to be easy? NO because the canadians are not going to change their way of life, of doing things, their system, we immigrants have to change ours.

Best regards

Sharon, thanks for sharing your thaughts with all of us.
Keep on. I hope your fiancee gets to you very soon.

Antonio

[18-02-2005,02:18]
[**.68.235.181]
Antonio
(in reply to: What do you think of this ?)
Antonio, I´m from Spain. Been to Mexico two years ago for vacation. You have a nice Country! I know my name is "international", I like it!
Good luck on getting your Visa, I´m on the way too.
Suerte!

[18-02-2005,04:48]
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David
(in reply to: What do you think of this ?)
I have concluded that many prospective immigrants believe that because Canada has ´invited´ them, is looking for skilled workers, and uses a point system for education and training...they will be able to walk into the Canadian job market without any further training or licensing. When that is not the case - they are annoyed. Even school teachers require Canadian licensing.

I think that is the source of the bad feelings.

In some cases such as doctors, there is not enough spots for the ´internship´ phase of licensing. The costs to get a foreign doctor ´Canada ready´ is huge. There is big concerns with this subject because we are still screaming for workers and they are directly under our noses waiting to work but without the necessary Canadian certifications. Canada needs to do better in this area and new Canadians must learn be realistic about what to expect when they get here.


[18-02-2005,08:52]
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sharon
(in reply to: What do you think of this ?)
People tend to consider this as an unique situation for Canada only. All countries have their regulations. There is awful many jobs in my country where foreign education is not sufficient. I was educated in Canada and I am not qualified in my country to be employed in the field. People also tend to forget that we are not living in the same world as before. With this future progress the whole climate of the work environment is changing. Now we have to be adaptable. Those ones who do not realise this will be the ones left behind moaning about a lack of proper employment. We are not employed for a lifetime, and we need to learn to market ourselves, no matter what the job. The Immigration Centre is not your prospective employer, so they will not do the recruiting. They only select the level of knowledge and skills they expect. I know many recent graduates in Canada who take menial jobs because they do not have required work experience yet. I don´t think many of us want to be Canadians would be happy if they would change their system so that only those who have validated work offers would qualify to be immigrants.Would you? Of course that would make sure people are not "invited" for nothing....
[18-02-2005,10:15]
[***.140.218.63]
April
I agree... (in reply to: What do you think of this ?)
Antonio, yo creo que los inmigrantes que se frustran mucho es porque creen que al venir a Canada tendran la mesa puesta en bandeja de plata, pero es bueno que tu ya sabes a lo que te vas a enfrentar y eso te ayudara bastante.
[18-02-2005,17:59]
[***.148.230.134]
Fish
I agree... (in reply to: What do you think of this ?)
Antonio, yo creo que los inmigrantes que se frustran mucho es porque creen que al venir a Canada tendran la mesa puesta en bandeja de plata, pero es bueno que tu ya sabes a lo que te vas a enfrentar y eso te ayudara bastante.
[18-02-2005,18:01]
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Fish