In reply to If not In Canada..

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Subject: In reply to If not In Canada..
  Hi OZZ,

Just let me tell you how happy I am for you. You have not lost any thing. God has cut your loss. I am not sure if you have any immagination of Canada ?
Well, I am sure that Canadian are verry happy with their country, but It is not perfect for immigrant. When you arrive here, you are NOBODY. If tou have a PHD or if you have 10 post doc on top, you have no difference with a pizza man. Because they only recognise certificates from Canada. I have a Master with distinction from UK, and they do not recognise it simply because it is not gained in Canada. I dont know what mirracle is this Canadian credential or work experience. What I saw here, convinces me that their system is not even as efficient as what I had from my bachelor in meadle east. They delibrately bring their standards higher, so to prevent new people enter their systems easily. I had 3 year credit history in uk, a credit card with 15000 $ credit limit; it is nothing here. I need to do all the things that I have done in my country from when I was borned in couple of weeks, even your driving license would not be valid here , more than 2 months. Life is compatative and if you want to have a job in your field, you should be 10 times more qualified than a Canadian to get it.
Man , you are some body in your country, you may not be able to eat CocaCoal there, but you can have a good life. Believe me, you have not lost any thing.
Myself: I will leave Canada for ever, if I make sure that my understanding of this society has been true, in the next 6 months.

[01-03-2005,12:50]
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Nashenaaas
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I am agree to certain points. But as far as standard of education is concerned, I still believe the Canadians have the upper hand. You will not realize this until you obtain a degree from Canada. I studied in the BEST engineering institute in my country, and now I realise the effort you need to get a Canadian University degree. It may be comparable to UK, but Canadians have a rigrous course work requirement than UK which makes you really confident and matured in your field of studies.
[01-03-2005,13:07]
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Kool
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the story you tell is not unique to Canada. I am sure our credentials have the same problems in the UK etc. One of our other posters said it very well. Expect to be floundering for a year. It takes time to get yourself oriented, get your resume in a Canadian friendly format, making sure your skills are adequately documented. It is not easy. Nobody ever said it was. It takes patience, determination and pure guts.

Did you investigate job and credential issues before you arrived in Canada? I would encourage all applicants to share their time between checking thier e-client status with finding out what will be required for meaningful employment. It will save months of frustration.




[01-03-2005,14:09]
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sharon
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Hi,

So, are you saying that any immigrant from any part of the world who goes to canada will not or can neve get a job for sure ie 100 percent sure or does it depend mainly on luck or the way you present yourself. Please advice.

Thank You


[01-03-2005,15:11]
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SithLord
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I do not think it is luck. It is the way you present yourself and orient yourself towards Canadian expectations.

As a specific example, one of my friends is a civil engineer and had good experience in hard rock construction activities. But in Canada his experience was not of immediate attraction because here the requirement is for soft rock or soil related construction activities. So he had to update his skills.

I would say your confidence also matters a lot.

Acquiring a Canadian degree at the first instance is always an added advantage.

[01-03-2005,15:28]
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Kool
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of course people get jobs. You will need to do what every working Canadian must do... look for the opportunities, present what you can offer the employer and hopefully, you find a good match. Canada has employment agencies but that is not usually where you get the best opportunities. Same with newspaper ads. I know one of our recient PR´s was in a Canadian bank opening his first account and simply asked ´are you hiring´. The staff person brought him a document to fill out and he went off about his day. Not sure what came of it... but he siezed an opportunity.

The Canadian job market is all about matchmaking. I have what you (the employer) needs - skills. You have what I need -job and a salary. The onus is on the prospective employee to prove the fit. Sometimes it is about walking into every business that might have a match and ask if you can leave a resume behind. Depending on your skills and experience, this can be easy or more difficult. Depending on your communication skills...if your english is marginal, your opportunities are less for the highly skilled jobs. If you can plug into a cultural community there is often a built in networking for new Canadians to find work. Not necessarily the perfect job...but something that puts money in your jeans until you find what you want.

If you need licensing to work, plan for it.

Rarely, do people land on their feet and start running the first day they arrive. If that is your expectation, you will be very disappointed.


[01-03-2005,15:36]
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sharon
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Dear Sharon,


Thank you for your comments. You are the master of this forum and I really respect your views. The dark side is not with you unfortunately (Hehehe). Even though I am from India, I have lived with the western society my entire life, lived out of india only and have worked in US companies. So, I understand what you mean by finding something the next day you land which is impossible and I won´t debate on that. I just wanted to know whether getting a job is totally impossible and you have answered my question.

Thank You

[01-03-2005,15:53]
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SithLord
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here is my job finding strategy for my fiance. He has no concept of job hunting in a western market so he has lots to learn. The first thing he will do is enroll in english classes. In my mind, that is the biggest obstacle to landing the well paying job. Then we are going to do some fact finding. I know nothing about his profession so we need some help with his resume. Telling an employer that you are a nice person and a hard worker...counts for nothing. It is all about marketing yourself. So we are going to get his skills into Canadianese so a prospective employer can see how his skills might fit into a Canadian environment. I also want to set up some informal meetings with the Human Resourses departments of companies that appear to have a good fit for him. Not for a job interview... but to find out what they are looking for, what skills they require and perhaps some recommendations for upgrading etc. No pitch for a job. If one comes- bonus.

I figure my guy is going to spend his first 6 months in Canada preparing for the Canadian job market. He has no idea what is available to him and has no idea what might interest him! He is in the IT industry so lots of competition for work. We have already had the conversation - if you could be anything or do anything you wanted in this world...what would it be? (got some interesting answers)

Yes, he is going to need to earn some cash in the interim, but our mentality is going to be long range goals rather than immediate results. Hopefully, this will fight off the discouragement and result in meaningful and lucrative employement.

[01-03-2005,16:49]
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sharon
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As said so many times Canada is not some dreamworld where you can vawe a magic wand to make everything happen without any effort. I lived in England for five years and first two years it was impossible to get credit even though I had very good credit history in my country. Finally I contacted one of those credit companies that offer credit for people with no credit history. Also first year I had to do a really shitty job with a very low pay until I had established myself in English labour market. That only to get a slightly better pay job with a high turnover.Kind of place where domestic folks did not stay for a long unless they were marines or former police officers used to rough stuff. So it isn´t any easier any other place. I do not even get good offers in my country.Not because I would not have enough experience and qualifications, but because I have spent so long overseas that prospective employers have doubts of my commitment. That commitment may also be a reason in Canada why employers do not so easily take recent immigrants for their payrolls.
[01-03-2005,16:55]
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April
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Thank you for your comments, Sharon.

First, let me wish you all the best for your fiance.

Suppose, English is not a problem for an immigrant and if he has started researching the Canadian job market, would that help the immigrant a lot or it would be best to be in Canada and then do his/her research.

I know the IT field is very competitive and yes, it is very difficult to get a job in that but I am sure your fiance will definetly get something.

What I feel is that if a person has a good command over english, he/she can definetly market themselves into getting that job based on past experiences.

What do you say, Sharon???

Regards

[01-03-2005,16:55]
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SithLord
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Sorry Nashenaaas Dude,

I can see why your degree´s are no good. At least run a spell check before you post anything. Can´t make half the stuff you are writing.

Stop and think - did you on your part learn what is needed of you in Canada? If you do that instead of cursing the system it will help you....

[01-03-2005,16:57]
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Anonymous
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April,

I didnt understand when you said you had to place yourself in the ENGLISH LABOR MARKET. But you came from UK , right? If so, you shouldnt have a problem with english ? Also, may I ask what your line of work was before you came to Canada ?


Regards

[01-03-2005,16:58]
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SithLord