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"Sponsor your parents" group is a grassroots organization that was created in December 2004 in response to the processing delays for parental sponsorship applications in the Mississauga CIC office. The group currently represents more than 2,000 Canadian citizens or permanent residents.
The representatives of the group asked to meet the Minister of Citizenship and Immigration. The following response has been received:
"On behalf of the Honourable Joe Volpe I would like to thank you for your letter of February 6, 2005, requesting a meeting to discuss possibilities for reducing the backlog created in the past last year and a half for parental sponsorship applications.
Although the Minister is unable to meet, he has asked me to convey his best wishes. It is also our understanding that you have recently met with his Special Assistance, Mr. Warren Ali, to discuss these issues. Mr. Ali can be reached at 416-973-5613"
This is a Canadian "democracy".
[07-03-2005,21:16]
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prg |
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(in reply to: Canadian "democracy")
Mr. Volpe has big problems on his plate at the moment totally unrelated to immigration. Do not be shocked if we have a different Immigration minister soon. More often than not, an assist is better able to address your problems or concerns than the actual minister. They do all the work anyway.
While you might feel very passionate about this subject...and I want to respect that - in terms of Immigration issues, this is not likely high on Mr Volpe´s list or that of the general public. He gave you what he could. Acknowledgement and someone to listen to you.
Yes, that is democracy - good or bad.
[07-03-2005,22:34]
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sharon |
(in reply to: Canadian "democracy")
If the Minister of immigration refuses to meet representatives of 2,000 immigrants, this is not democracy. The Canadian government just gave all of us a big slap on the face.
[07-03-2005,22:46]
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prg |
(in reply to: Canadian "democracy")
I am afraid there is no constitutional regulation indicates that minister has to meet protesters. Immigration minister got his own trouble these days because of same sex marriage debates. Don?t expect anything will happen dramatically.
[07-03-2005,23:03]
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Yijie |
(in reply to: Canadian "democracy")
Mark my words, we are going to change this situation.
In Israel, immigrants changed governments. We will do the same in Canada if the situation doesn´t change.
This problem currently affects at least 100,000 canadians, and the numbers grow every day because the process is completely frozen in Canada and in Canadian embassies abroad.
[08-03-2005,00:05]
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prg |
(in reply to: Canadian "democracy")
democracy 101. unrelated but related. 50% of the property tax collected by the city of Vancouver comes from small business. In our local system of democracy, business owners do not have a vote. We give the city of Vancouver half their money and they feel no obligation whatsoever to meet with us or listen to us.
You will have to get in line if you want to cry injustice. You have been allowed to let your issue be heard, you have been allowed to speak to your government- even be angry with your government. What else do you want? How many countries around the world allow what you have just done? Would your home country accept this behaviour? Just because you do not get exactly what you want does not mean it is worthless. Certainly you anticipated the possiblity that your petition and demand to be heard and agreed with would not get the response you wanted?
[08-03-2005,00:08]
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sharon |
(in reply to: Canadian "democracy")
"You will have to get in line if you want to cry injustice. You have been allowed to let your issue be heard, you have been allowed to speak to your government- even be angry with your government. What else do you want? How many countries around the world allow what you have just done? Would your home country accept this behaviour?"
Well, thank you very much, I´m really thankful that you and your government let me speak!
Yes, my home home country would accept this behaviour and much more.
Canada has to stop behaving like it´s doing us a big favor. Without thousands of skilled, highly educated workers that come to this country every year, Canada wouldn´t be what it is today. The least the government can do is treat us like human beings, not like garbage. I paid more taxes last year than most of Canadians are making. It´s my money too.
[08-03-2005,00:25]
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prg |
(in reply to: Canadian "democracy")
You can put into RRSP if you want, which is your income tax shelter. the max amount of this year is 15,000something, can´t remeber the exact number.
[08-03-2005,01:06]
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Yijie |
(in reply to: Canadian "democracy")
If you are a PR, it is your goverment too. I am sure you pay lots of taxes. Balancing the needs and wants of individuals and the needs of a country must be very difficult. I would not want the job. I am sure you will have more chances to be heard and if there is agreement with your cause across the country - something will change. That is also the promise of democracy.
[08-03-2005,01:06]
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sharon |
(in reply to: Canadian "democracy")
my best friends, please just calm down. I think there are ways to deal with in the system. Just have to have patient.
I don´t think Canadian government treat PR like a shit, not even me, visa person. I still appreciate Canadian government gives visa people same health care, prescription drug free. Don´t even mention about working opportunties. Before kick system, we have to study them. Befoe kick canadian tax system, you have to know some ways to have tax dedction(like RRSP,mutual funds,tuition fee). same as CIC policy.
[08-03-2005,01:17]
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Yijie |
(in reply to: Canadian "democracy")
Yijie... I hear you and I agree with you. I have learned something in my ´old age´ - just because you think the issue is big enough to light your hair on fire, does not mean everyone will join you in sympathy. If we cannot get 100% agreement across the country on missile defence and same sex marriage - how can we imagine to get the country behind an issue such as parental sponsorship. Everyone with an issue must be prepared for empathy, apathy and resistance.
[08-03-2005,01:42]
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sharon |
(in reply to: Canadian "democracy")
I agree with pgr until certain extent but do not forget that it is not easy for a government to say yes in everything. Probably they will make you pay more extra fees before you get your approval. That´s what immigration is all about::: MOney : big bussiness for canadian government.
Canada does not accept you because the government is so nice and compasionate, they want more taxes and immigration fees.
[08-03-2005,02:49]
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Bitchy |
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