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Hi friends,
Previously I had read about someone getting deportation order...just wondering how can the authoirities come to know if a person stays beyond ones authorized date. According to my good understanding no one can ever find out if someone stays beyond the authorized date. Am I missing something here? Does the Govt. put any effort to find out about each visitor? Is it not possible for people to overstay and leave quitely at some later date? How do people get the deportation order...I mean to know how were these individuals idetified to be in violation of their permits.
Thanx for any info/ comments.
[26-03-2005,05:29]
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Robinhood
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The only way Immigration would know is if someone reports you or you commit a crime in Canada and are arrested.
I can?t see how they would find out any other way...
[26-03-2005,10:15]
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LC
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Well the crime is committed only if caught and sufficient evidences are there...
So generally speaking yes the Immigration officers dont have that kind of time or resources to go and hunt down any over-staying person... but when you are to leave the country you have to go thru them and at that time they will find you and put appropriate notes on your file... Trust me these people are very well organized in this matter.
If somehow you manage to sneak into the US quietly without being noticed... In the canadian sstem you still show up as in-canada and havent left legally... So you are technically still in Canada for them. and it can create a big problem later on.
Better not to overstay if you can avoid it... and if the circumstances are unavoidable then make sure you apply for exentions to the appropriate agencies... they take a hell lot of a time and this will buy some time to work out and may be leave the country legally...
Cheers,
HS
[26-03-2005,11:31]
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Anonymous
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Ohh yeah... forgot to mentioned about the deportation order...
You have to make aware the officer incharge that you are illegal in the country and then kidly ask the officer to file a case against you and prove that you are violating some rule and you deserved to be deported from the country...
This will compell them to issue a deporting order for you or your loved ones...
:)
HS
[26-03-2005,11:33]
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Anonymous
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don?t be fooled into thinking deportation never happens and that the Canadian government has no way of tracking you. Neighbours report you, if you are working- employers send in taxes with your name on it. if you get a motor vehicle ticket, or you have to go to the doctor or hospital - lots of ways to track that I do not even know. Whatever the case - it is not worth it. You ruin your future opportunities.
[26-03-2005,14:45]
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sharon
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another good way they know... you did not show up to the airport!
[26-03-2005,14:46]
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sharon
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once you are over stay, you can not get medicare coverage, it?s kinda risky. make sure file extention in 30days of permit expired, or you can do restoration after expired
[26-03-2005,17:53]
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Departure Bay
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Hi Guyz!
The problem of Deportation arises, when a person, who is of temporary status tries to extend his permit ( study/work/visitor). If they do not agree with your reasons for extension, or they find your intentions arnt good, they have every right to give you deportation order.
However,they cant force you to leave the country, coz its hard for them to keep track on you. In that case, you can hire a lawyer and keep fighting the case, showing them valid reasons to stay in the country.
I know a person say Mr.Y , who had been given 2 deportation orders , but he was determined not to leave canada, with help of lawyer he could get extension for his study permit and later on he completed his studies and could successfully get 3 yrs HRDC approved work permit, later on Y applied for immigration in quebec, and his file was transferred to Syria ( The reason being he cannot apply for quebec immigration in US), and the embassy which deals for the Indian applicants for quebec immigration is in Syria,and Mr.Y was scared to go to Syria for interview, so requested the CIC to transfer his application to New Delhi,which would take considerable time, however Mr.Y is not in a hurry for immigration,?coz he has got a job in his field( Chef) and he can stay legally in this country for 3 yrs more.
So dont worry guyz if you get deportation Order!!Things can be worked out still!!
[27-03-2005,04:23]
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Nivas
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There are tonnes of ways to work on the the deportation order... remember that Singh guy... because of which Judy Sgro had to resign...
He was illegal and kept working on how deportation order...
Not only that... the immigration system in this country has so many loop holes that you can use one or the other to stay here...
Infact if you do not come in any limelite then you can pretty much stay here for as much as you can.
And yeah... if you know that you are illegal... then you want to avoid legal work, coming in contact with the police officers, and any such agents where the govt is involved.
About the Taxes thing... the govt doesnt care because its getting taxes AND on top of that... the CRC and CIC are two totally different and independent organizations...
A lot of temporary workers, students have SIN?s strting number as 9XX XXX XXX so if you have one. then you can still file taxes... By the time the govt becomes aware and does something to you file it will already be a few years...
Anyways... dont take this advice seriously... think about what can go wrong... and act accordingly... dont come to blame me afterwards...
[27-03-2005,13:13]
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Anonymous
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I am a Canadian trying to read your postings without becoming angry. Your plans and schemes are so disrespectful and harmful to those who come to Canada wishing to obey the law and follow the CIC process. Your celebration of illegal activity proves that CIC is still not tough enough when it comes to visitor and student visas.
Your postings mock my country and all that it stands for.
[27-03-2005,15:03]
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sharon
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just walk away please, a honest guy invited you to the dinner party, and you grab some valuable stuff during the party hoster didn?t know.
You came back home and celebrate and share the tips to everybody.
don?t encourage people to do that, if you have experience doing this, just let it be.
[27-03-2005,15:44]
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Departure Bay
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Thanx everyone for their input. First of all let me clarify that I am maintaining a legal status in Canada and intend to continue to do so. I had just asked the questions out of curiosity and to better understand the system (we all do that).
From your views and my understanding up till now one can overstay in the Canada without being caught. The Govt. can only find about it through the following:
1. Through the employer- if that person is working and getting paid on his SIN number and is on company?s payroll.
2. If somebody reports- which is very unlikely until n unless people have the person?s status info and bear some animosity towards him; from my exp. nobody here bothers about anyone..very individualistic lifestyle.
3. By chance, where u?ve to show your status- Accident, medical emergency etc.
3. Airport- I am not quite clear about this one. To my understanding if someone is leaving Canada he/she has to just buy the air ticket and board the plane. There is absolutely no paperwork/ enquiring at the airport from Canadian authorities for departing passengers. The only possible way is that the data of the airlines might be accessible to Canadian Govt. which is illegal in the light of privacy laws?but still they might be doing it.
Let me reiterate that I am not discussing this to encourage anything illegal but just discussing it for satisfying my curiosity. And anyways I don?t see any reason why any one should jeopardize ones future.
Sharon I would say you over reacted and became sentimental about Canada, trust me the Govt. is very intelligent in this regard. Even if someone overstays the Canadian Govt. / society has nothing to loose at all. It is the person overstaying who?s risking everything and might loose more than he/she can gain. It is very difficult for anyone to work illegally because of the above stated 1st point. Moreover, the Canadian Govt. is earning millions of dollar annually just because of the tourists and if you add the international students the figure sky rockets. Take any public univ. and just see the % of international student and you?ll get a rough idea about the volume of money flowing in the Canadian economy. Pre 9/11 it was USA which was making the big bucks, at present their universities are running dry of revenue and most of it has been redirected to Canada.
Friend Departure Bay, don?t take it otherwise (& I am going to be v. frank) but u also seem to have overreacted (perhaps instinctively u wanted to side with Sharon as she is so helpful) - well if you are so honest think about your English which is among the 1st criteria for qualifying?I?m sure u?ll catch up.
Coming back to the point of overstay- even if someone overstays he/she would be spending money from his own pocket without any gain. Such a person can only survive on menial jobs (of course illegal) which have no takers or are vacant. Also keep in mind that who would want to live like this without any family members to share the life with. What will happen if the person needs some emergency medical aid, he/ she would end up spending 1000?s of dollars just for it.
Human being?s strongest instinct is of survival, if one has to overstay for that I do not see anything wrong in that; after all this is a land of immigrants which once belonged to the native Indians who were pushed to the life of impoverishment. In fact this is the reason why Canadian govt. has provision for refugees; they just have to land here somehow and rest is all taken care of. Workout any scenario and one will see that a person residing illegally has nothing much to gain and can cause no harm/loss to Canada. To conclude I recall a recent case of a guy who had illegally lived in Canada for some 15-20 years but was recently given deportation orders in Ottawa after the corrupt officer who had helped him & likes was caught. You can think who would loose the most, Canada or the person who?s going to return to his country as a foreigner after losing golden years of his life.
Punchline: If you are not following the system it is YOUR CALL.
[29-03-2005,02:55]
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i think even your permit was expired, you still have chance to get restoration permit, something like that. there is way to do that, don´t worry too much
[29-03-2005,04:09]
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I do agree with you, if you just live in Canada, nobody actually care, as long as you can survive. I am not kidding you, there are cash jobs everywhere. as long as you speak good language, know the way it is, even you suppose to leave,you insist to stay, i don´t think there will be any problem.
[29-03-2005,04:20]
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hello (in reply to: Deportation/ Overstay contd.)
was sure that the line "we have met the enemy and he is us" is from Shakespeare, but I cannot find it anywhere! Can you help?
[26-06-2006,19:28]
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Hello (in reply to: Deportation/ Overstay contd.)
Okay so my family was deported because of overstaying and i hate it here and i wish to go back to canada i was doing soo well i never did crime nor i failed in school
[20-04-2011,15:11]
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So you can cut and paste and take things out of context instead of asking your own questions with your personal details.
Nobody gets deported for overstaying!
They get excluded normally for one year.
If you are told after being ordered excluded and you hide or do something worse you could be ordered deported.
Roy
cvimmigration.com
[21-04-2011,07:33]
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Roy |
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If your offerred voluntary departure and you fail to leave that order will become a deportation order.
Roy
cvimmigration.com
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