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| Subject: parent sponsors part 2 |
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you math still does not work. if what you claim is true that there have been only 6,000 applications per year processed since 2003, instead of 20,000. That should mean there would be perhaps 28,000 waiting instead of 110,000.(20 +20 -6-6) there is still more applying than even the 20,000 you are looking for. so...someone is going to have to wait, and the line is going to get longer and longer by perhaps by an additional 20-30,000 each year.
Do not feel offended that John Volpe would not meet with you. There are thousands of lobby groups that do not get their meetings. You had no relevant information, nothing new to suggest. You only had a demand. He already knew all that you wanted to say.
We have to be pragmatic about how much social conscience Canada can have. Yes, Canada is a rich country compared to most. That does not mean everything is free and easy.
[21-04-2005,11:28]
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sharon |
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(in reply to: parent sponsors part 2)
First of all I agree with prg that the Liberal Govt is trying to fool the average population. It is a gimick on their part to win votes.
Secondly, Sharon Canada is a free country and immigrants have the same rights as citizens, other than voting, and we all know how much citizens like to vote. Apparently a greater percentage of people voted in Iraq in their last election as compared to Canada. And its also true that Canada boasts of a family reunification policy that it has not stood by in recent years. Canada´s population is aging and an inflow of immigrants is required. And let me emphasize that it is a symbiotic relationship between Canada and immigrants to Canada. Immigrants come for their personal benefit too but we expect that in a country like Canada promises made by the Govt will be fulfilled.
Sharon you had some very strong comments about non-English speaking Canadians at the hospital, in your recent post. Such comments are not welcome in this forum. This is a forum for information exchange and not for you to vent your frustations about immigrants. And most Canadians themselves are immigrants and must realize the importance of immigration (including parental sponsorships). I request you to refrain from anti-immigrant remarks. The least Canadians can do is welcome immigrants and make them feel comfortable.
I have one last question for you ...for an individual who came to Canada when he was 18 ...then finished a degree and got his immigration by age 22 or 23 ...what constitutes his family??? In my opinion it would be his parents and siblings.
[21-04-2005,12:24]
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zues |
(in reply to: parent sponsors part 2)
this is election year, yep, Paul Martin gonna have important speech tonight on TV, last time Prime Minister did this kind of speech was back to 1991 QC referendum.
Liberal tried to buy immigrant´s vote, their relatives might be citizen too.
No wonder Canada need balance bilingual, it??s a good intention to balance both language population in this bilingual country. However, in the western province, lack of French population, makes lack of French education spending. I still remember two years ago, Liberal B.C government shut down one of three French immersion school in my city, lead to protest. If this government doesn??t wanna spend much more dollars into French education, even French immigrants come to B.C, they gonna use English.
[21-04-2005,14:29]
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Departure Bay |
(in reply to: parent sponsors part 2)
Zeus...
I hope you know enough about me from my numerous postings that I am the last person in the world that is racist. I am also not anti-immigration - after all, I am bringing someone to Canada to begin a new life and I am also a consistent supporter of this forum.
My comment about waiting rooms and language was purely an exercise to show that there is many facets to immigration and its impact on our society. It is not only about families and missing loved ones. I apologize if it came across as racist. Yesterday I had to explain to my 87 year old mother who was in tears about her situation that everyone in that waiting room had a right to be there. I will not print her response. About 1 hour later, I read this thread.
We all have our own agendas. Parental sponsorship is a ´motherhood´ issue. Who could possibly agree with separating families. Where does the ´family´ begin and end? Depends on who you ask and which culture you ask.
Hopefully, goverments and countries are not run with emotions first. Policy must make sense for ALL stakeholders. I also agree with you that the liberal government made it sound like they were being really progressive by opening up the immigration gates to families when in reality they simply stopped squeezing the life out of family class sponsorships. Media and poltics is an ugly thing.
There is not a perfect answer- at least not one that will make everyone happy. It is also not a black and white issue which you can examine in isolation. That is why governments create policy and regulations. It is their job to look at the big picture without emotion, consider all consequences and go from there. When we do not like the direction, we are free to replace the thinkers and planners at the next election.
From what I know of the 3 political parties in Canada, the current goverment is as good as it is going to get in terms of progressive immigration policy.
[21-04-2005,15:47]
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sharon |
(in reply to: parent sponsors part 2)
new immmigrants sometimes easily think other people are discriminate them because of different belief and culture, I used to think like that way, it´s wrong.
this is not a world either black or white.
[21-04-2005,17:40]
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departure bay |
(in reply to: parent sponsors part 2)
Sharon,
The whole issue is about broken promises. This country defines parents as a part of family. If they want to change this definition, they should say it loud and clear. Instaed, they stopped to process applications a year ago but continued to receive new applications and get $1,500 per person. Where is this money???
The United States and Australia tell the applicants up front that it will be years before they can get an immigrant visa, if at all. Canada tells us just to sign on the dotted line and pay our fees.
You remark about your mother paying taxes here is irrelevant. We pay taxes for our pensions and for our parents health care. The health care expenses come from today´s taxes, not 10 years old. It´s my taxes too.
I understand that many Canadians want only young educated immigrants who should come to Canada to pay for the aging Canadian population. Canada wants to get skilled workers who already paid for their education.
Well, this is not going to happen. For years, immigrants have received lousy service from the Immigration Department but had no choice but to take it, the department´s attitude being, "If you don´t like it, go elsewhere."
And many excellent candidates for immigration to Canada likely did just that.
But the department may now have gone too far by extending the same treatment to Canadian citizens and permanent residents. No more!
[21-04-2005,18:15]
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prg |
(in reply to: parent sponsors part 2)
No more late fee, it´s over!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[21-04-2005,19:01]
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departure bay |
(in reply to: parent sponsors part 2)
departure bay,
I am enjoying reading this conversation with great interest between PRG and Sharon. Could you kindly please stay out of this. Your meaningless posts are only cluttering this thread.
Thank-you in advance for your co-operation.
Tom
[22-04-2005,01:47]
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Anonymous |
(in reply to: parent sponsors part 2)
dear prg...
I hear your intentions and your heart... really, I do.
In the case of immigration, I see that there are injustices in every classification. I saw a news article this week where a family from central america came as refugees, bought a house, started a business, children are at the top of their class and now CIC wants to send them home. Set that against refugee claimants that we cannot seem to get out of the country who are selling cocaine on our downtown streets.
We have a skilled worker who needs 2 years income to have sufficient settlement funds. He could work in Canada and support his parent back home with $300 a month... but has to wait 3-5 years for PR. We put that against a PR who can´t decide what country they want to call home. Maybe Canada, maybe US, maybe Hong Kong... who pays the most, and how little time do they have to spend in Canada to get free medical.
When I look at parental sponsorship I see an insatiable demand. How do we address that???? You have not commented how many parents should be allowed into Canada each year. What do we do with the overage? Who should we say no to? In a perfect world, what would you want? A 1 year wait, no matter how many applicants there are?
Canada can simply not sustain what I think you are requesting.
My mother was in tears again today. Believe it or not, she still has a drivers license. The motor vehicle branch will not let her drive until she completes her cataract surgery. For the next 6 months she will be vitually house bound because that is when she will get her turn for surgery. I will have to make sure she has groceries... I will need to take time off work to take her to appointments, she will have to miss her church services because it is too far to walk... why, because there is a 6 month wait of people requiring surgery. a simple 40 minute procedure. An old persons procedure - a parents procedure. How will Canada look after all OUR parents?
I look for the promises you speak about. Perhaps Canada has mislead, perhaps there is a myth out there that Canada is the land of easy money, free medical and welfare. Given the line up of people waiting to come here, they must be hearing something good. Just not sure where they are hearing it. The truth is, all good things have their limits.
I do not have all the answers. In fact I have very few. I just know that we cannot always have exactly what we want.
[22-04-2005,02:33]
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sharon |
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