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there is great concern that people use a countries immigration laws to get into another. 9/11 has made the US very nervous about people using Canada as a point of entry to the US because our immigration rules are different. I will make up an example. The US is banning all immigration from country X because of security reasons. Instead person from country X goes to Canada and then to US. Security is a big concern in these situations for governements. I am not saying it is right or wrong... it just is.
I also suspect that there are many folks on this forum who wait a very long time for their opportunity to enter Canada. It does not sit very well to have someone not particularly interested in our country but only interested in a plan B to avoid going back to country of origin taking up time and space in the incredibly long immigration line. Nobody has asked why the green card might not be issued - after so many years!
As a Canadian, my personal opinion is that we are looking for immigrants who truly want to make a life in Canada, contribute, and call this place their new home. Being someone´s back-up plan feels a little like being a poor last resort. We think we deserve better than that.
[26-09-2004,18:47]
sharon |
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Excellent comment.
[26-09-2004,19:53]
Less worried husband |
Immigration has to happen... (in reply to: green card vs. pr... continued)
I think it is human nature to immigrate from country to country. It is they way that American Continent was formed and it is much better if people try to do it in a legal way than ilegally. I think it is the system that requires to be changed to make the process faster, either to approve or turn down immigrants.
It is unfortunate that there are people who have to use Canada to get into the States becuase they could cause more
delays for people who really want to stay here, by the other hand::: What can we do??
I would like the World can get rid of George Bush.. but I think we will have to put up with him for four more years..
It is the way the life is....
[26-09-2004,21:14]
Islamabad |
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excellent point of view.
I think "human" with good criteria has their right to choose of their best opportunity and will contribute to the country eventually. They may few exception with bad intention; in my sake of arguement, many..many people in this forum definitely not in this category with bad intention. They´re all looking for good opportunity and they deserve it. People has freedom to move, GC or PR is just a line in the sand. Both U.S and CDN are excellent county which they´re all recognised good people with excellent skill.
[26-09-2004,21:25]
h.chin |
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Hi H.chin,
The bottom line here is that the way you termed your Canadian PR as "backup" sparked the arguments and I don´t like it either bro.
[27-09-2004,00:58]
bruce |
from country to country (in reply to: green card vs. pr... continued)
as Canadians we are not interested in welcoming people who want to ´test drive´ Canada. We spend millions of dollars to help people adapt, we pay for medical, we protect their rights and freedoms, we help them with their english...and we treat them well. We just want a little respect and appreciation in return. Canada is not an easy life... jobs are hard to find if you do not have english, (or french in Quebec), housing and living is very expensive. Those who spend many years trying to come to Canada...I worry that they will be very disappointed. It is not paradise. I wonder why everyone wants to come here! Please tell me.
[27-09-2004,01:59]
sharon |
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Hi Sharon,
For you it may doesn´t look like paradise but for us it is. And I think some people will agree on me with this especially those who are neglected by their country´s government. Canada is a good haven of new hope and opportunities. And for as long Canada won´t close its doors to new immigrants, we can expect an exodus of people from third world countries.
[27-09-2004,03:43]
bruce |
Sharon... (in reply to: green card vs. pr... continued)
Hi Sharon... I totally disagree with some of your commentaries, but I respect them. I think Immigration is good from both sides: For immigrants is good to have a better place to live and for Canadian government is also good because you need more tax -payers in this country and If you look back in your family tree, you may find that your family was immigrant too. I do pay my taxes too but it is not for me to say who has the right to come and who hasn´t into the country, because like I said before, everybody has the right to find what is best for them as long as they don´t are a threat for Canada. In my case I came as an investor and I am creating jobs and taxes for canadians and also I paid all my fees for my english tuition, so in think is a little bit simplistic to generalize about everybody.
[27-09-2004,04:38]
Islamabad |
Hi h. Chin.. (in reply to: green card vs. pr... continued)
Hi H. Chin::
I totally agree with you, because the people will eventually contribute to the country in some way or another. They are using services while they´re here, they have to pay rent, taxes. etc. They even had to pay the immigration fees and all that stuff... So nothing is for free.
I think the best contribution in return is being a good citizen , paying your taxes, respecting canadian laws, etc.
Anybody with a little bit of sense of humanity or politeness will treat you well as an immigrant, so I guess I don´t have to be grateful forever and ever for being treated as a human ( unless that some people think than immigrants are like monkeys and they are doing them a favor treating them well, even monkeys deserve a good treatment).When I had canadian, parisian or chinese guests in my country I used to treat them well and I was not expected them to be grateful forever with me.
So I guess everybody is free to choose whatever is best for them. In my case I would never go to America because I find Canada much more progressive , I don´t care if canadian dollar is lower, I do believe the governement is much better and many people here tend to be more tolerant towards immigrants here than in some other countries.
[27-09-2004,05:07]
Islamabad |
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On a more practical level, there is nothing wrong with what Mr. Chin did. Unable to predict how his green card application based on the worker?s visa is going to go, he applied for Canadian immigration as a ?back up.? He obviously thought things through and determined that he would rather work and live in Canada than return to his home country once his U.S. visa ends. We all make plans, strategies and priorities. Some of us have more opportunities and access than others. And there is no need to get bitter about it ? this is the way it is. He is using both systems legally and percentage wise, I bet people in his predicament are not the ones responsible for such a long wait.
While I think it is possible for him both permanent residencies, I question his ability to maintain both. U.S. laws are much stricter than Canadian. If he leaves the country for more than 6-months, he runs a great risk that U.S. will determine that he abandoned his residency. The burden of proof would be on Mr. Chin. Maintenance of another permanent residency is not a good excuse.
[27-09-2004,09:56]
Summer |
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"this land is your land,this land is my land....
I love Canada.I want the best for this land.This is sacred ground.We welcome people from all over the world and we hold no prejudice.When anyone says "backup" we will say back off. If anyone has a complaint about working conditions in the U.S.A, how can such persons even think of being successful in Canada.We are tough people and we love our country.We share a healthy relation with U.S.A and
respect her interests across all spectrums.All are welcome again I say to make Canada their new home,but not to use this paradise on earth as a "backup destination".
We are not an asylum for dropouts. We want people who are tough and strong and will stand true to this country.
Canada is a paradise,but you have to work to keep it that way.Remember, we are a country of Pioneers and truly every Canadian will want to keep it that way.You want security.You are welcome to build a secure and safe Canada and therein is your security and safety.
Think deeply and then act.
Viva La Canada
Viva La Canada.
[27-09-2004,16:48]
inx |
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Hi Forum.
Greetings.
I ahve been following the above topic with great interest and concern.Two questions are raised here in this context.
#1.Why is Canada inviting people to immigrate?
The answer obviously will be to contribute to building a
strong Canada.
#2.what is expected of the people who apply to immigrate
to Canada?
What any country would want in terms of loyalty and
dediction.
#3.What has H.Chin stated?
"A backup plan"
Regarding legality Summer has observed that"He is
using both systems legally and percentage wise,...".
Sharon observed, "there is great concern that people
use a countries immigration laws to get into another.
9/11 has made the US very nervous about people using
Canada as a point of entry to the US because our
immigration rules are different....."
The perpetrators of 9/11 were legally in U.S.A.
[27-09-2004,17:09]
Ramon |
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