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| Subject: To Sharon and Background Check |
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It is I believe "hip" to blame Bush for everything that is happening in the world, including the delays due to background check.
I will not bring my personal views on the topic - only logical questions.
1) Canada has equivalant to FBI that conducts these checks. Why are they not as fast as FBI to give the certificate? Even FBI does the same checks for candidates who apply for permanent residence in the US, but they provide their results well in 4-6 months.
2) If CIC feels they will delay on account of these checks, they should only accept so many cases per month. What is the purpose of accepting as many cases as possible and delay them on the account of excess cases at hand.
3) If they feel that resources are limited, they should increase the application fees to accomodate the smooth processing. I agree, in a market order - a service should run smoothly and for that charge appropriately.
4) And finally, to blame Bush for everything is not right. That is escaping the realities. Not facing the real problem. I mean what has delays in BG checks got to do with him? Irrespective of what he thinks, Canada should only allow candidates who clear the checks.
My position is NOT the checks, these are VITAL, but my position is to question on how these are placed and done.
A) Meds should only be asked after BG are done.
B) Ask for RPRF only after BG checks are done.
C) If they feel certain countries are problem to obtain checks, they should inform candidates at IA stage.
D) If their experience shows certain countries are a probelm, to draw a better procedure to obtain checks from these countries.
[11-11-2005,13:53]
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Yeah, but... (in reply to: To Sharon and Background Check)
I agree with everything you say. But that would be treating prospective immigrants with the respect they deserve as valuable human beings--not the sacks of flour that CIC seeks to import.
[11-11-2005,14:05]
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Tim |
(in reply to: To Sharon and Background Check)
Hi Starwars...I know you addressed your post to Sharon but I hope it´s okay to give my view on this.
FBI comparison: FBI gives out results concerning US records only. They have computerized systems that they can access anytime thus enabling them to give out fast results. The background check that takes soooo long to be finished comes from various countries. The Canadian authorities probably contact the other countries authorities about the subject matter, then how fast or slow the response is beyond the control of the Canadian authorities. Also this background check is not limited to criminal records but a lot more. FBI is just criminal records.
I agree there has to be some kind of communication from CIC and I believe CIC does answer "some" and still some (like me) don´t even bother to ask status at all :)
I think Sharon blaming Bush was just hypothetical to indicate the fact that during this background check period it is hard to tell who to blame..Canadian authority or the authorities from the different countries we have lived in.
The fact remains, all of us are willing to wait no matter how long. The more we think about CIC´s weakness the more we irritate ourselves.
[11-11-2005,14:07]
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Joe05 |
(in reply to: To Sharon and Background Check)
Joe05, you understood my comment. In a post 9/11 era, background checks have taken on a whole new meaning and complexity.
Canada cannot move ahead on an application until certain information is supplied. I am trying to imagine a educational institute in Pakistan where they are recovering from earthquakes, trying to find time to verify documents - not only from Canada but from any other country that is accepting immigration applications.
Canada has no leverage to force prompt responses from institutions and governments - they have to wait... just like we get to wait.
wish there was another way.
I have my own thoughts about how immigration should be handled but it would not solve things for anyone currently in the system. I would be inclined to stop accepting applications in any embassy that has a wait beyond two years. On the first of each year they would accept 1 years worth of applications and then close again. While it would be frustrating for those wanting to get into line, it would stop the horrific waits people are enduring.
I would also require a english or french score together with the proof of funds in the AOR screening. If you do not have the language skills and do not have the settlement funds... please try again at another time.
language skills has got to be one of the biggest obstacles to success for a new PR and it is also one of the biggest frustrations to a Canadian employer... so use language as a second gate to lighten the application load.
just my morning coffee thoughts.
[11-11-2005,15:21]
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Sharon |
(in reply to: To Sharon and Background Check)
All that BG check remains quite a mistery even after all said here and there. I found out that I an get any record on myself from my old country´s embassy in a matter of 1-2 month. You pay 10-20 USD , fill the form embassy here the US gives you and they will collect all possible documents from archives and mail copies back to you. So for CSIS or CIC it cannot be so hard either. If there is an official inquiry on CSIS letterhead it will be treated OK and fast. But what exactly CSIS is up to doing something for 10 months and more - not clear. If US has allowed us to came into USA so it is already somewhat comfort to CSIS, isn´t it?
[11-11-2005,19:14]
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Santa |
(in reply to: To Sharon and Background Check)
Our application fees only cover about 24 hours of CIC staff time (@ $20/hr don?t forget payroll taxes and benefits bring a $20 salary up to about $30 for an employer so it is really about 16 hours)
I´m pretty certain that it will take more time than that to process an application. On that note CIC should have medicals and any other applicant supplied data BEFORE they do background checks. It would be pure idiocy to spend money on checks when the applicant has a medical condition that would make him/her ineligible anyways. If it was your business what way would you run it? Immigration is a very high volume enterprise, a change like the one you are proposing would cost millions of tax payers dollars, there is no way the application fee covers the cost of processing, The ROLF should cover all fees and have a bit of profit but they only get that if an applicant passes, and that money should go into the general coffers in case that person ends up being a drain on the social system.
Lets do a bit of math, if there are 500,000 applicants and we increase communication, adding 1 hour of processing time $20/hr we?re looking at $10,000,000 .
Now if you want them do BG checks before medicals and 3%(random guess should probably be higher) of those people would have failed due to medical. 3% of 500,000 = 15,000 applications say 15 hours for a background check = 225000 and each hour at $20/hr = $4,500,000. It looks like your idea just cost CIC 4.5 million because of poor processing procedures, that money could have been used to speed up the processing of other applicants and you just slowed down thousands of other applications due to your brilliant policy change.
[11-11-2005,23:47]
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