sorry artsy i live in the real world

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Subject: sorry artsy i live in the real world
To the guy who said there is a glass ceiling in engineering..... WHAT PLANET ARE YOU ON.

1) There are few professional engineers that make under 100K by the end of thier careers.

2) we are NOT techies. we are professionals.

3) In most industries people with applied science and engineering backgrounds are chosen for the highest managment positions. How is someone with a degree in french, or psychology, or bloody political science going to manage a metal refinary, a nuclear power plant, or an automoble manufacturing plant. They might as well put them on the moon, they would be useless.

So what if a few arts students make it to the top(family business usually), i can tell you right now that they didnt get there because of the degree they got in school...


ERTW

[22-05-2006,01:08]
Anonymous
(in reply to: sorry artsy i live in the real world)
This is what i wrote before:

I suggest you look at salary surveys from the professional associations for engineers from any province (PEO for ontario, OIQ for quebec, etc.). Look at the average salary (usually 80K), look at the starting salary and look at the increase in pay based on years of experience. Yes, they do move up fast and once you enter management, salaries are even better. Obviously if you want to be filthy rich, don?t even bother with the professional degrees. Don?t become an engineer, lawyer, architect, chartered accountant. Open up your own business. It?s risky, but the potential to be really rich is there.

PEO survey: http://www.careercentre.ospe.on.ca/uploaddocuments/d364%2B2004_Ontario_Engineers_Salaries_Survey_of_Employers_Summary_Report.pdf

Alberta general career survey just for comparison:
http://www.alis.gov.ab.ca/wageinfo/Content/RequestAction.asp?aspAction=GetWageSalarySearchResult&format=html&Page=SearchSalary&RegionID=20&MinSal=0&MaxSal=1000000

[22-05-2006,01:12]
Anonymous
(in reply to: sorry artsy i live in the real world)
More to life than money people. Do something you love and you´ll be successful.
[22-05-2006,01:14]
Anonymous
(in reply to: sorry artsy i live in the real world)
^yeah, i forgot to add that, doing something that interests you is of utmost importance
[22-05-2006,01:19]
Anonymous
(in reply to: sorry artsy i live in the real world)
Sure.. but getting your own buisness isnt as easy as it sounds. You need have have ALOT of cash to start a business.. where are you going to get it?.. mommy? an arts degree? haha no way

if you dont have a professional degree(traidsmen do ok as well) what kind of business are you going to open up anyway huh? You are pretty much limited to buying and selling items.

I remember hearing that even to buy a lowsey tim hortons you need $300,000 up front or somthing. bah


[22-05-2006,01:21]
Anonymous
(in reply to: sorry artsy i live in the real world)
^ you´re missing the whole point.
[22-05-2006,01:23]
Anonymous
(in reply to: sorry artsy i live in the real world)
I´m just saying the POTENTIAL to be really rich is in starting your own business. and i did state that it is very risky. Let´s be honest, how many millionaire doctors, lawyers, engineers or accountants do you know. But of course, on average, professionals tend to make more money and are in a line of work that is more stable and less risky. But ultimately, doing what you like is what´s important. Why waste your life doing something you have no interest in?
[22-05-2006,01:27]
Anonymous
(in reply to: sorry artsy i live in the real world)
btw if you read my post, i agreed with you that there is no glass ceiling and that engineers´ salaries rise fast and reach a high level in management. But, to be rich (like a multi-millionaire) it´s a different story in my opinion.
[22-05-2006,01:30]
Anonymous
(in reply to: sorry artsy i live in the real world)
im bored... weeeee i have a degree in political science! i think ill open up my own business today. My school costed 60,000 with rent books and such, and im in debt $30,000 because my parents paid $10,000 and my program got me lucritive job at the grocery store every summer where i worked my ass off to make up the other 20,000.

now im 30 grand in the hole,i need a car, a place to live and im paying living expenses. oh oh and my slut girlfriend is pregnant with a child.

hey i think ill take out a $200,000 load on top of everything and start my own business. Oh wait i make 28 grand per year, and i can barly get approved for a $2000 credit card. darn.



[22-05-2006,01:31]
Anonymous
(in reply to: sorry artsy i live in the real world)
^ sucks for you!
[22-05-2006,01:37]
Anonymous
(in reply to: sorry artsy i live in the real world)
True, engineers working in engineering will never make millions or anything. but its not like there is millionairs running loose everywhere.. the potential to make millions is somthing open to anyone, but chances are itll never happen to any of us so ill be happy with a six figure job
[22-05-2006,01:37]
Anonymous
(in reply to: sorry artsy i live in the real world)
^agreed, the potential is there but very few will reach it
This is why professions such as engineering are so attractive
They are safe and provide high incomes.

[22-05-2006,03:57]
Anonymous



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