The Reasons Why McGill is Canada's Harvard

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Subject: The Reasons Why McGill is Canada's Harvard
- Highest percentage of out of province students (50%)

- Highest percentage of internatonal students (20%)

- Most number of American students (approx. 2,000 +)

- Most productive researchers in Canada on a per captia basis (Infosource)

- Good diversity of students (not too white and not too Asian)

- No stupid satelite campuses which lower admission standards (eg. Toronto, UBC)

- Not too large (under 30,000 students)

- People recognize the school?s brand "McGill" as opposed to being named after a city or province (eg. Toronto, UBC, Alberta, etc.).

- Highest percentage of graduate students: 20% (Most other schools only have 10% or less of their student body as grad students.)

- School spirit (not as fun as Western or Queens, but still not a boring school like Waterloo, U of T, and UBC)

- All faculties are highly regarded or at least quite good
{not a one faculty school like Waterloo (Engineering), Guelph (Agriculture), Concordia (Business), York (Fine Arts), etc.}

[15-06-2006,09:30]
Anonymous
(in reply to: The Reasons Why McGill is Canada's Harvard)
Yeah, Mcgill is a good school but I do not think there is a "Harvard of CAnada". take a look at Harvard; it is the best in almost all faculties except engineering. Harvard has a top law school, business school, medical school, psychology, maths, etc.

You cannot tell me that Mcgill is the top in all these areas because they are not. Again, I am not bashing Mcgill or anything but all I am saying is that there is no harvard of canada... perhaps there is a "number one University in CAnada" but that does not mean it is a Harvard like institution. you get my drift?


[15-06-2006,10:57]
Anonymous
(in reply to: The Reasons Why McGill is Canada's Harvard)
Well, I know McGill is no Harvard. It was meant to show that McGill is the closest a Canadian U can get to Harvard, although it´s far far behind Harvard. Maybe back in 1906 McGill was quite similar to Harvard in excellence.
Now, Harvard is at least $15 Billion ahead of any Canadian school.


UC Berkeley is the model public university most Canadian universities try to emulate, but we all know UC Berkeley blows away any university in Canada.


[15-06-2006,13:03]
Anonymous
(in reply to: The Reasons Why McGill is Canada's Harvard)
JUST TELL ME WHICH PROGRAM THAT MCGILL STANDS OUT FROM THE REST??

ENGINEERING-->WATERLOO
BUSINESS--->YORK
MEDICINE-->UOFT
LAW-->YORK
CS-->WATERLOO
LIFE SCIENCES-->UOFT
PHYSICS-->UOFT

[15-06-2006,15:27]
Anonymous
(in reply to: The Reasons Why McGill is Canada's Harvard)
^thanks for posting your opinion

actually, it can be argued that harvard does not have the best business, law, med, math schools... us news has Yale as the best law school, a lot of rankings have wharton as the best business school, etc. but ppl always view harvard as the best, ie it has the most prestige. mcgill is called the harvard of canada because it is the most well-known canadian university in the world, it´s a prestige thing, even though one can make a case that it is tops in many subjects.

[15-06-2006,16:19]
Anonymous
(in reply to: The Reasons Why McGill is Canada's Harvard)
My observations:

1. Harvard is NOT the best in every field. In fact, it is NOT number one in almost any field. But it is almost always in top 5.

2. In this respect, McGill is very similar to Harvard. All of its programs are in top 5 in Canada, and in top 50 internationally. And some of its programs like arts&sci. are number one. So, again, it is similar to Harvard.

3. The point about being a state uni. is something totally different. It is only US where private unis lead. But the fact that MCgILL OR UofT or any other state school is not private does not mean that they are worse. It is just it: In some countries, state schools lead, and in some others private schools...

4. I do believe McGill is the Harvard of Canada, but not Harvard of course.

And I agree with the original poster.

[15-06-2006,18:11]
Anonymous
(in reply to: The Reasons Why McGill is Canada's Harvard)
Harvard is Harvard because of its research, and its alumni.

McGill can´t come close to Harvard in terms of research or in its list of alumni. They closest Canadian school is UofT. Why? Because UofT is second only to Harvard in North America in the amount of research published; forget Canada. Compare the faculty and list of researchers at UofT and McGill and it´s obvious that UofT attracts way more big shots.

Look at our Alumni. UofT pumps out all of our nations leaders - both in politics and in business. Also, we have more nobel prize laureates than any other Canadian institution.

In terms of quality programs, UofT dominates. It can be argued that UofT is the best in:

Law
Medicine
Engineering (if not second)
Science
And most humanities.

Our grad school is by far the most sought after in Canada, much like Harvard.

McGill may have less students and less asians and more white people, but that does not make it a great school. What makes a great school is the faculty, resources, and research. See, while McGill "talks the talk", UofT actually "walks the walk".

[15-06-2006,21:55]
Anonymous
(in reply to: The Reasons Why McGill is Canada's Harvard)
You need to understand why McGill is popular in the US. Part of the reason is its old reputation, back when it used to have one the top medical schools in the world. That was then, and this is now. Things have changed dramatically, and UofT has been in front for a long time now. The thing is, reputations take time to develop. So, while UofT is not as well known to the layman down south right now, you can be assured that this is changing.

Another reason is that McGill advertises a lot in the US; way more than any other Canadian University. UofT attracts students purely based on reputation, but McGill actually spend money spreading their name around trying to recruit American students. They offer the cheapest tuition out of any other Canadian University.


[15-06-2006,22:15]
Anonymous
(in reply to: The Reasons Why McGill is Canada's Harvard)
By the way, Harvard is going to be building a new satellite campus.

http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=502761

Having a satellite campus is not "stupid", and doesn´t mean lower admission standards.

[15-06-2006,22:44]
Anonymous
(in reply to: The Reasons Why McGill is Canada's Harvard)
sorry, but that´s all a load of bs
no one can prove that mcgill advertises more in the states than any other canadian university. it´s not even part of the whole "canadian ivy" marketing joke, which UofT is part of.
to suggest that UofT has produced most of our nation´s leaders , attracts more bigshots, etc. are all hilarious statements that cannot be backed-up, these are subjective statements and i can say the same for mcgill or ubc or queens. UofT has 1 more nobel prize winner (faculty and alumni combined) than mcgill, big woop, don´t forget mcgill is half the size of UofT. UofT is without a doubt one of the best in canada (defensive UofT students surprisingly can´t say the same for mcgill) but stop dreaming, it doesn´t dominate. no one is saying mcgill is better than UofT, both are great like i said. we should seriously put this to rest.

[15-06-2006,22:44]
Anonymous
(in reply to: The Reasons Why McGill is Canada's Harvard)
"- Highest percentage of internatonal students (20%)"

Actually, the University of Windsor has the highest percentage of international students.

[15-06-2006,22:48]
Anonymous
(in reply to: The Reasons Why McGill is Canada's Harvard)
"sorry, but that?s all a load of bs
no one can prove that mcgill advertises more in the states than any other canadian university. it?s not even part of the whole "canadian ivy" marketing joke, which UofT is part of.
to suggest that UofT has produced most of our nation?s leaders , attracts more bigshots, etc. are all hilarious statements that cannot be backed-up, these are subjective statements and i can say the same for mcgill or ubc or queens. UofT has 1 more nobel prize winner (faculty and alumni combined) than mcgill, big woop, don?t forget mcgill is half the size of UofT. UofT is without a doubt one of the best in canada (defensive UofT students surprisingly can?t say the same for mcgill) but stop dreaming, it doesn?t dominate. no one is saying mcgill is better than UofT, both are great like i said. we should seriously put this to rest."

Compare alumni. Harvard is known for its alumni.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_McGill_University_people

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_University_of_Toronto_people

I have no idea what the Canadian-ivy marketing campaign is? Did you just make that up?

Believe me, I have a lot of respect for McGill. I think it´s a great school and I´m proud of it´s accomplishments, but I´m not going remain silent, while some kid from McGill posts an arrogant thread about why McGill is Canada´s Harvard. Especially when his arguments are weak, and not relevant to why Harvard is Harvard.

[15-06-2006,23:08]
Anonymous
(in reply to: The Reasons Why McGill is Canada's Harvard)
http://www.mcgill.ca/facts2005-06/students/

mcgill has the largest percentage of int. students

from what i have read, windsor has the highest percentage for undergrad

[15-06-2006,23:09]
Anonymous
(in reply to: The Reasons Why McGill is Canada's Harvard)
http://www.canadianivy.ca/

i don´t see what your point is when you show me a list of alumni compiled by wikipedia users. it´s not exactly exhaustive, and again, it´s subjective. like i said, i can simply say i´m more impressed with mcgill´s list. no one can say that UofT has more "important" alumni.

you know i agree that the OP was a bit arrogant in his post, but it´s no different than a lot of the other posts that suggest that UofT dominates or whatever.
let´s just put this thing to rest.

[15-06-2006,23:16]
Anonymous
(in reply to: The Reasons Why McGill is Canada's Harvard)
Wow. I never knew about this campaign. I stand corrected.
[15-06-2006,23:21]
Anonymous
(in reply to: The Reasons Why McGill is Canada's Harvard)
"i don?t see what your point is when you show me a list of alumni compiled by wikipedia users. it?s not exactly exhaustive, and again, it?s subjective. like i said, i can simply say i?m more impressed with mcgill?s list. no one can say that UofT has more "important" alumni"

While it´s subjective, to me, it´s obvious which list contains more important political and business leaders.

I agree, we should put this thing to rest. I would never start such a thread. I am merely illustrating the fact that McGill is nothing like Harvard and should definately not be considered Canada´s equivalent.

[15-06-2006,23:32]
Anonymous
(in reply to: The Reasons Why McGill is Canada's Harvard)
LOL McGill = Canada´s Harvard? You´re joking, right?

What kind of look-alike and sound-alike scam is this?
Harvard has just over 6,000 undergraduates and is a private school. See the difference?

[16-06-2006,01:33]
Anonymous
(in reply to: The Reasons Why McGill is Canada's Harvard)
1. If a uni (McGill) has "half" as many students as another uni (Toronto), and is known much better internationally than that other uni. that simply means it is much better and much more prestigious.

2. I am not surprised if UofT does more research since they are the largest uni in North America. However, in terms of researc done per faculty, McGill is the top in Canada. And it is REseach Inf. who says this. So this alone shows that McGill´s faculty is far better. Plus, they have the most research funding per faculty at McGill. Again acc. to Res. Inf., which chose McGill the research uni of the year.

3. When will Toronto students stop crying over the fact that McGill is more reputable?

[16-06-2006,04:36]
Anonymous
(in reply to: The Reasons Why McGill is Canada's Harvard)
A brutal fact for you:

No one knows the name McGill in Asia but UofT.

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The University of Toronto (U of T), in Toronto, Ontario, is the largest university in Canada by student population.

U of T attracts students from across Canada, as well as a significant number of international students. Four Prime Ministers of Canada, two Governors General of Canada, and numerous internationally recognized academic and business leaders have graduated from the institution. It has the most Nobel Prize-winning graduates among Canadian universities (six). On the Academic Ranking of Worldwide Universities, U of T placed 24th (it was ranked number one in Canada and 19th in North America).

The University of Toronto publishes more research than any other university in North America besides Harvard University and has the third largest library holdings after Harvard and Yale University.


U of T has 75 PhD programs, and 14 professional faculties. It attracts many scholars around the world and was ranked by The Scientist as the best place to work in academia outside the United States. Research InfoSource also ranks U of T as one of the top research universities in Canada [7]. Over the last two decades, its faculty members have received almost a quarter of all national awards although they represent just over seven percent of Canada´s university professors.[3]

The size of the university allows for a large variety of courses. Everything from Intermediate Sanskrit, to Computational Genomics, and Estonian Literature from 1700 can be taken at U of T. There are some programs that are not offered by the university. One of the most prominent absences is of any journalism program at the St. George Campus, in part because nearby Ryerson University has such a major journalism school. (The Scarborough Campus offers a joint program with Centennial College). As such, the many campus newspapers have long been seen as U of T´s unofficial journalism school. The size of the university also means that some classes are enormous. General introductory courses in psychology, sociology, and other subjects are taught in Convocation Hall with well over a thousand students at each lecture.

According to the academic ranking of world universities compiled at the Institute of Higher Education, Shanghai Jiao Tong University, University of Toronto has been ranked the world´s 24th top university in the years of 2004 and 2005.[8]. For twelve years in a row, U of T has been ranked the top medical-doctoral research university in Canada by Maclean´s Magazine (in 2005, it was tied for first with McGill University). It is ranked 24th in the world in terms of best science and 20th in the world in terms of biomedicine (Higher times Supplement 2005). It was also ranked 29th overall in the world, (2nd in Canada) by the Times Higher Educational Supplement´s 2005 World University Rankings.[4]

Among other accomplishments, affiliated researchers developed the first electronic heart pacemaker, artificial larynx, single-lung transplant, nerve transplant, artificial pancreas, chemical laser, G-suit, built the first practical transmission electron microscope and extracted insulin.

The university´s library system, based at the fourteen floor Robarts Library, is the largest in Canada. The 15 million holdings rank it fourth among North American university libraries after Harvard, Yale, and UC Berkeley.[5]

The university´s endowment exceeds $1.5 billion, far larger than that of any other Canadian university. It has an operating budget of $1.1 billion, with $517 million in research and grant and contract support. The university has nearly 100 spin-off companies with over 3,000 employees and revenues of $821 million. The university itself is the 15th largest employer in the Greater Toronto Area.

U of T attracts many students from Ontario and the rest of Canada, and also has a significant number of international students (over 6,000 international students or about 9% of the student population). Its student selectivity is generally high but consistent with the spirit of a public institution. Competition is very intense for entrance to its medicine, law, engineering, business, dentistry, and architecture programs.



[16-06-2006,14:57]
Anonymous
(in reply to: The Reasons Why McGill is Canada's Harvard)
^what was the point of this copy and paste from Wikipedia
actually McGill is still more well-known in asia, although UofT is not as much a distant second as in the rest of the world.

[16-06-2006,16:24]
Anonymous
(in reply to: The Reasons Why McGill is Canada's Harvard)
"1. If a uni (McGill) has "half" as many students as another uni (Toronto), and is known much better internationally than that other uni. that simply means it is much better and much more prestigious."

---No one is disagreeing that McGill is better known internationally. Rest assured this is changing though.

"2. I am not surprised if UofT does more research since they are the largest uni in North America. However, in terms of researc done per faculty, McGill is the top in Canada. And it is REseach Inf. who says this. So this alone shows that McGill?s faculty is far better. Plus, they have the most research funding per faculty at McGill. Again acc. to Res. Inf., which chose McGill the research uni of the year."

---UofT isn´t the largest University in North America. You should really make sure you know what you´re talking about before throwing stuff out there. And the proof is in the pudding, bud. UofT publishes more research than any other University in North America except for Harvard. That alone should make you shut up.

"3. When will Toronto students stop crying over the fact that McGill is more reputable?"

---No one is crying. We´re just letting you know why McGill is nothing like Harvard. UofT is more of a Harvard than McGill academically.

[16-06-2006,16:29]
Anonymous
(in reply to: The Reasons Why McGill is Canada's Harvard)
"actually McGill is still more well-known in asia, although UofT is not as much a distant second as in the rest of the world."

McGill is better known in Asia than UofT??? You´re on crack! UofT is like Harvard in Asia.

[16-06-2006,16:30]
Anonymous
(in reply to: The Reasons Why McGill is Canada's Harvard)
U of T is a school mainly for Ontarians and the preferred choice for Asians. Many of those Asian-Canadians end up working in Asia, so obviously U of T is better known in Asia.

McGill has more prestige in Europe and America, and U of T has more pull in Asia. Since America and Europe currently hold most of the wealth and power in the world, I would rate McGill ahead of U of T.


[16-06-2006,16:35]
Anonymous
(in reply to: The Reasons Why McGill is Canada's Harvard)
UBC is more of a preferred choice for asians since it´s closer to Asia. UofT has many asians because lots of asians live in toronto, that´s all. I have spoken to many asians at McGill and their families have specifically sent them here because it is known as the Harvard of Canada. take it for what it´s worth.

[16-06-2006,17:18]
Anonymous
(in reply to: The Reasons Why McGill is Canada's Harvard)
"UofT is more of a Harvard than McGill academically."

Please stop the comedy. McGill is #1, everyone knows that

[16-06-2006,17:20]
Anonymous
(in reply to: The Reasons Why McGill is Canada's Harvard)
"UofT publishes more research than any other University in North America except for Harvard. That alone should make you shut up."

UofT has 60000 students and 8000 staff for godsake, what do you expect. look at the research intensity, McGill is at the top in this category. That should make you shut up

[16-06-2006,17:23]
Anonymous
(in reply to: The Reasons Why McGill is Canada's Harvard)
"UBC is more of a preferred choice for asians since it?s closer to Asia. UofT has many asians because lots of asians live in toronto, that?s all. I have spoken to many asians at McGill and their families have specifically sent them here because it is known as the Harvard of Canada. take it for what it?s worth."

What you´re saying is complete bullshit. Admittedly, McGill is a great school, but, in Asia, UofT is respected far more than McGill. Many of the Asians at UofT are from Hong Kong, etc.

[17-06-2006,00:58]
Anonymous
(in reply to: The Reasons Why McGill is Canada's Harvard)
McGill looks and feels more like an American Ivy league school than U of T becuase McGill does have keep a "culture of whiteness" on their campus.

Maybe Montreal isn´t as diverse as Toronto or Vancouver, but if you go to Concordia, you´ll see a much more diverse student body.

Things that make you go "Hmmmmmm?"

[17-06-2006,01:00]
Anonymous
(in reply to: The Reasons Why McGill is Canada's Harvard)
"I am not surprised if UofT does more research since they are the largest uni in North America."

UofT isn´t the largest University in North America, retard.

Largest Universities by Single Campuses

1. 51,712: Arizona State University - Tempe, AZ
2. 51,175: University of Minnesota Twin Cities - Minneapolis, MN
3. 50,504: Ohio State University - Columbus, OH
4. 49,650: University of Florida - Gainesville, FL
5. 49,333: University of Texas at Austin - Austin, TX
6. 45,166: Michigan State University - East Lansing, MI
7. 45,090: University of Central Florida - Orlando, FL
8. 44,647: Texas A&M University - College Station, TX
9. 43,021: University of South Florida - Tampa, FL
10. 41,480: University of Wisconsin-Madison - Madison, WI

UofT St. George has 43,665 students, so it would be ninth in North America, and 2nd in Canada (next to York)

Largest Universities in North America, UofT isn´t even close. University of California and University of Texas each are around 200,000 (and those aren´t even the biggest in the US!)

[17-06-2006,01:10]
Anonymous
(in reply to: The Reasons Why McGill is Canada's Harvard)
We´re not talking aestetics, we´re talking academics, right? In that case, UofT is better.

What would happen if UofT raised its admission cut off a few percent next year so it was higher than McGill? or brought in more white kids? would UofT all of a sudden blow McGill out of the water?

[17-06-2006,01:16]
Anonymous
(in reply to: The Reasons Why McGill is Canada's Harvard)
"UofT has 60000 students and 8000 staff for godsake, what do you expect. look at the research intensity, McGill is at the top in this category. That should make you shut up"

NYU is a comparable size with a larger endowement and yet it doesn´t come close to the research output of UofT, nor do many other Universities in the US or around the world.

University of Texas has around 200,000 students. So, they should kill UofT?

[17-06-2006,01:22]
Anonymous
(in reply to: The Reasons Why McGill is Canada's Harvard)
"culture of whiteness"? Wow you need to visit McGill cuz you have absolutely no idea about the school´s student body

it´s not about aesthetics, it´s about prestige and academics. too bad McGill is better than UofT in both accounts

i wasn´t the one who said UofT is the largest in North America, but being the ninth largest univ. in North America is never a good thing

[17-06-2006,01:22]
Anonymous
John Molson B-school (Canada's Wharton) (in reply to: The Reasons Why McGill is Canada's Harvard)
As long as Concordia´s John Molson school of business is superior to McGill´s business school, I´m very satisfied.

Concordia´s business school is twice as big as McGill´s, and in the future, our new business building will be much more posh than McGill´s old concrete slab.

Concordia´s Chancellor is also the Chairman of Royal Bank, Canada´s largest company.

Concordia is gaining more and more prestige.

[17-06-2006,14:17]
Anonymous
(in reply to: The Reasons Why McGill is Canada's Harvard)
Hey I´m from York, me too as long as Schulich is ranked on top of that no-name business school at UofT I´m very satisfied. York is gaining in prestige too, our law school also destroys the "law school" at UofT.
We should be friends!

[17-06-2006,14:31]
Anonymous



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