90% engineering pass rate

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Subject: 90% engineering pass rate
is this idiot trying to claim toronto, waterloo and queens have the easiest eng programs because of high pass rates? and not better quality of students and instruction?
[21-07-2006,22:13]
Anonymous
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haha apparently..

http://www.edu.gov.on.ca/eng/general/postsec/kpi/pdfs/engrgrad.pdf

^ You´ll notice that the better known Universities for engineering (i.e. Waterloo, UofT, McMaster) all have high graduation rates. However, Queen´s isn´t known for engineering, but it´s the highest, which is weird.

UofT: 85.2%
Waterloo: 87.6%
McMaster: 79.1%
Queen´s: 90.6%

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Carleton: 68.8%
Ottawa: 65.7%
Ryerson: 59.9%
Windsor: 69.9%


My belief is that it has to do with quality of students and not the difficulty of the program.

[21-07-2006,22:25]
Anonymous
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85% pass. How hard can it be?
[21-07-2006,22:26]
Anonymous
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Guelphs numbers are pretty impressive. Is Guelph known to be good in engineering?

[21-07-2006,22:26]
Anonymous
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"85% pass. How hard can it be?"

You don´t understand. The quality of the students almost gaurantees that most will pass. Whereas in Ryerson or Windsor the students are not as good, so they tend to fail or drop out in an intensive program like engineering.

You´d be effed out of your skull if you tried claiming that engineering at Windsor or Ryerson is harder than UofT or Waterloo.

[21-07-2006,22:28]
Anonymous
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Since when is engineering instensive?

Please, engineering books are filled with pretty pictures so that students can understand.

[21-07-2006,22:51]
Anonymous
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i thought these numbers looked too high because their are more than 10% dropouts in my school. so look at the category´s title:

"Percent of 199X Year 1 New to Institution Students Who Receive a Degree, by Starting Program of Study"

are you artsies retards? you make fun of engs saying we cant write and you cant even read.

look: "...students who receive a degree, by starting program of study"

that means students who graduate with any degree weather eng or bsc or ba or bcomm, watever. this chart shows % of eng students who enroll and get ANY degree. eng at waterloo is hard so many leave that program and go into math or material sci. maybe same at uoft and queens. maybe ryerson has a low rate because they dont let students enter other programs. maybe they do and they are dumb abnyways.

all this stats proves is you are all stupid fucking twats for wasting time and oxygen.

[21-07-2006,23:16]
Anonymous
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"...students who receive a degree, by starting program of study"

Dont try to twist words, the "starting program of study" indicates that they mean the program that the students started in.

You guys say that UofT students are more likly to pass because of higher high school grades? Last i checked high marks were needed to get into ottawa and more so western... why do so many western students fail?

[21-07-2006,23:38]
Anonymous
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im not twisting words you dickwad, that is a quote which is why it was in quotes.

starting program of study means the program they started in - exactly, einstein. it doesn´t say that is the program they finished. the whole fucking thing is titled "graduation rates, by STARTING program of study". they wouldnot have put STARTING in there if there wasnot possibility of finishing in a different program.

artsies are dumb!

[21-07-2006,23:41]
Anonymous
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As a UofT student, I am smarter than all of you. I say the angry dude is right. Those numbers indicate students who graduate in ANY program, but started in engineering.

Thank you and have a good weekend.


[21-07-2006,23:58]
Anonymous
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It makes no sense to record a statistic like that, "those who recieved a degree by startibng program of study" is simply a generic line that they could use to record statistics for each program, that way they just tital the page: "engineering programs by institution", or "business programs by institution" and use the same chart over again.

What is meant by "by starting program of study" is: how many students recieved a degree in their STARTING program of study. NOT ANOTHER PROGRAM OF STUDY.

and im no artsy
ERTW

[22-07-2006,00:01]
Anonymous
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maybe you guys should think about it. the province compiles stats on students who enter university. they only know what program they go into and the school tells them whether or not they graduate. the school wont say "well he entered as eng but graduated as bsc". these are governement stats and there is no general term, it is all very specific as you should know if you are able to go to university. keep trying to wrap your head around the concept but if you were trying to show mcgill/lakehead students as smart..... keep trying.
[22-07-2006,00:10]
Anonymous
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LMAO!

McGill fanboi trying to use stats he doesn´t understand, to prove something he can´t understand. ROTFLMAO

Waterloo kid has it right. You don´t understand what the stats represent but will keep arguing.... what? What are these stats supposed to mean again? That those schools are easy? LMAO!

What a waste of time. Nothing to see here, move along folks!

[22-07-2006,00:17]
Anonymous
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I shouldnt have to explain it half a dozen times. The school records the number of students entering engineering, then record how many graduated with an engineering degree, they then take an average. There that should be simple enough for you to understand.
[22-07-2006,01:39]
Anonymous
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Its funny how you dopey UofT students constantly tend to misinterpret things in favor of your school

[22-07-2006,01:41]
Anonymous
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This looks like a generic spreadsheet table that was used over and over again for different programs. Only the title needed to be changed when recording data for different programs. That way, the data entry is simplified by the use of a generic table.

The context of the title refers to engineering and only engineering. The data table is generic. There are no specific words, terms, descriptions or references in the title, headings, or notes to imply completion of "any" degree, other than an engineering degree.

Show me the words, terms, descriptions and references and I will believe you.


[22-07-2006,16:51]
Anonymous
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I think the word "starting" should make it clear to a native English speaker. It does look like they mean any degree.

In any case, it wasn?t a very good argument to begin with: Rye and Lakehead engineering can?t be harder than Waterloo?s.... to draw such a simplistic conclusion from their graduation rates is elementary school logic.

Like someone said, you´re really stretching. And being so easily confused by statistical semantics doesn´t reflect well on your credibility.

What is it you´re trying to prove again? Oh right, UofT engineering is the 3rd easiest in Ontario after Queens and Waterloo because of their high graduation rate.

Heh.

[22-07-2006,18:54]
Anonymous
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Show me the words!
[22-07-2006,21:28]
Anonymous



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