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Subject: U of T or MIT?
I´m currently in grade 11, with a 97% average, all sciences, and looking to keep the same next year. I´m also very much involved inside and outside of school.

That said, I wish to pursue a career in space exploration, and perhaps even one day travel to space myself. In order to do this, I need to have the highest academic credentials possible so as to be selected by the Canadian Space Agency for astronaut training. Or, I could obtain an American citizenship and apply directly to NASA.

In any case, I´m torn between the University of Toronto´s Engineering Science course (http://www.engsci.utoronto.ca/), which is allegedly one of the hardest programmes in the world, and MIT, which I keep hearing is considered to be the most prestigious.

If money weren´t a factor--any thoughts?

The harsh reality is that money is a factor. U of T´s tuition fee is a mere fraction of MIT´s, plus I stand a much better chance for grants, financial aid, and COOP placements.

Any input is appreciated.

[13-06-2005,22:54]
Richard
Good For You (in reply to: U of T or MIT?)
If you have money to get rid of,,go to MIT
Boston area costs a lot of money and MIT won´t give you scholarships like U of T would so,,what ever

[14-06-2005,00:37]
Eddy Lee
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Of course MIT if money is not a concern.
[14-06-2005,08:58]
Go to MIT
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youre in grade 11, alot of things can happen.


[14-06-2005,10:19]
Anonymous
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I hate to break it to you but it´s not your average that counts for MIT but ur SAT´s and your extracurriculars. MIT is THE best school for engineering in the world. The world elite go there and the competition is like an Ivy League Harvard or Princeton. Your school marks will also play a factor when deciding but overall all three of those things count: SATS, School Performance and Extra Curriculars and by Extra currics they don´t want some small club leader or executive, they expect you to do 500 hours of volunteer service and be like a founding member of the local Red Cross or Humanitarian aid service. You might have a chance to apply there, it would´nt hurt not to, just consider the competition and the economics involved. However if you DO get in, I will definitely be amazed. Good luck in GR 12!
[15-06-2005,00:24]
Anonymous
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Ah, it´s nice to finally receive an intelligent response. Do you mean to tell me it´s everyone who applies there--including American citizens--who must have such impeccable credentials in order to get in? Or are these requirements just for someone from out-of-country? Also, how did you come by this information? Thanks so much for response.
[15-06-2005,00:32]
Richard
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Yes, even American citizens have to have amazing SAT scores in order to get in - it´s highly competitive. And I do mean HIGHLY.
[15-06-2005,03:35]
Anonymous
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Shut up Richard. I am sure youre dumb as a doorknob.

Forget MIT.


[15-06-2005,12:20]
Anonymous
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Noted. Anyhow, perhaps someone who has attended either university could contact me or leave a message on this thread? I would like to get a little more information from someone who has attended an engineering programme at one of these universities.

A slight divergence: does anyone know of a website or magazine which offers unbiased comparisons of different programmes and schools, nationally or internationally?

[15-06-2005,17:49]
Richard
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"does anyone know of a website or magazine which offers unbiased comparisons of different programmes and schools, nationally or internationally?"


http://google.endofinternet.net/


[15-06-2005,18:00]
Anonymous
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That´s a funny link, but I had already tried googling it, and didn´t manage to come up with any websites dealing with Canadian univerisities, or Canadian universities vs. American univerisities. Any useful links?
[16-06-2005,00:56]
Richard
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MacLeans magazine has a well-respected comparison for Canadian Universities, which can be found at http://www.macleans.ca/universities/index.jsp. World university rankings can be found at http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2004/top500list.htm. I had a similar decision - between Harvard and UBC. It basically came down to money - and I want to be able to afford to go to school for a lot of years, so chose UBC. Harvard (and other top schools in the States) will offer financial aid, but no scholarships (not sure if this is true for MIT, but it is for Ivy League). If you want an idea of how much the difference in cost will be, check out https://sweb.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/FinAid/finaid_form.pl This is more applicable for Ivies, but should be pretty close for MIT as well. Yes, SATs are a factor in your admission, however I think that it´s not as emphasized for international students because there is a disadvantage in that we are not brought up with an education that is geared towards SAT success (However, I by no means mean that you should take the SATs lightly! I believe that the breakup is something like 1/3 SAT, 1/3 high school marks, and 1/3 extra-curricular). I did well in the math section, but was not as strong on verbal. I´m sure that there were plenty out there to pick from with higher SATs than what I had, but I think that it´s the "overall package" that is more important. Also, I found (both for myself and from others accepted to Harvard) that acceptance to the top universities isn´t all that consistant - there is luck involved (interview, who reviews your application and how much they push for you etc.) - because while many were accepted to Harvard (the most selective school in the states), they were not accepted to other, less selective universities (for example, I was accepted to Harvard, but wait-listed at Columbia). So, while you sound qualified for MIT, keep the luck factor in mind (although if it´s meant to be it will work out) and don´t "put all your eggs in one basket." If you have a strong leadership background or have initiated any programs etc. there are some good Canadian scholarships that you should look into: Millennium, CMSF, TD and then university-specific entrance awards all can help significantly in further decreasing the cost of your Canadian education. If you plan to go to school for more than four years, keep in mind that most Canadian universities will provide you with an excellent education for much less money. While the ivies/MIT/Stanford etc may offer a few more opportunities because of their financial resources, I dont think that it is significant at the undergraduate level (the money is more focused on graduate research). So, if you plan to go on with your education, staying at UofT may be a good choice for now, and then look to MIT again for grad studies? It depends what´s important to you - MIT is like brand-name clothing. The name is impressive and it will be of great quality, but there are many lesser-known brands that offer great products as well. I do agree with the previous posts though - if money is not an issue, MIT would be an amazing experience. So I´ll try to summarize my advice here, because this has become rather lengthy - don´t stress about not knowing where you want to go right now (advice that was given to me many times over, but was hard to accept). As your grade 12 year approaches, continue to be involved in your school/community, and apply for scholarships (keep in mind most don´t transfer out of Canada) and both UofT and MIT - honestly, one school will eventually just be "right". That doesn´t mean it will be an easy decision (mine involved an extended deadline and (not that I like to admit it) a lot of tears), but in the end I knew where I was meant to be and am very excited to be calling UBC home next year. I hope that helped a little even if I did digress a little and I don´t really have the specific engineering-based knowledge you are looking for. One more thing - Waterloo has been top ranked in Canada by Macleans for a few years, and is a very well recognized university for engineering in Canada. If you have any further questions that you think I could help with, feel free to reply to this post.

[16-06-2005,20:14]
Anonymous



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